[williamdclt]

> you already have a communication breakdown and mistrust has already blossomed

Or you haven't had the time and chance to build up communication and trust. That takes a long time, it's perfectly natural that it would take many months to a few years for somebody to feel perfectly safe in their relationship with their managers

[logicchop]

If you are in a new relationship with management and they are already hitting you with vague "let's talk" statements, you are pretty much guaranteed that they are bad communicators and that you won't be able to glean much of anything from what they say to you.

[redisman]

We’ve also been in a insane bull market for most of many peoples careers now. Many fresh managers have never seen bad times. It’s easy to be a pal when times are good and budgets aplenty. From 2008 I remember a distinct overnight shift in managements demeanor once they knew what was coming for us