[chakkepolja]

Not disagreeing with organization around frameworks in PHP, but apparently PHP suffered a lot from low barrier, in terms of security especially. That was the time package management wasn't that widespread yet, which IMO limited this kind of stuff. But there were, for sure, many applications where PHP could be blamed for security incidents and general unreliability. PHP improved quite well though.

Now PHP isn't hip anymore, node js is super popular hip thing, and every tom dick and harry from art school in US or 3rd tier engineering college in India will slap together three todo list applications on Resume and wants to call himself full stack developer. Internet is fast, hardware is fast, no one cares about pile of dependencies sitting beneath them.

Add to that resume driven development where every JS wants to write libraries and become github-famous. 30-line libraries will be considered a joke and it will be shameful to brag about such things in any other ecosystem.

[heurisko]

I was also thinking that the "blast radius" for PHP was lower, as there wasn't the same culture around creating packages.

Until composer, there wasn't much of a culture around creating packages full stop, apart from PEAR, which beginners didn't create packages for.