[cullinap]

Maybe emphasis on conceptual understanding vs. calculation is what we need to be driving at. Higher level math is not focused on getting exact answers. I always thought that starting out with set theory would be a better as it is the historical precursor calculus anyway. Most calculus courses seemed to be focused on the memorization of techniques that don't make much sense until you take an analysis course. Atleast set theory gives you a foundation for understanding probability which gives you a foundation for stats.

[chakkepolja]

The problem is closed book exams, not calculus itself, right?