[pwdisswordfish8]

For anyone who's been burned by these:

Why aren't you equally as mad at the personnel at your child's school? It's one thing for a national or semi-national rollout of broken enterprise junk, it's another thing for your child's instructor to go along and demand that you use this broken system instead of providing reasonable affordances (e.g. low-tech, paper-based notices/forms that get sent home with your kid).

For that matter, how do your school systems handle the situation where no one in the household is able or willing to install the damn thing because e.g. you don't own an iOS or Android device, or you have no smartphone at all? Is there an actual legal requirement for you to contribute on an ongoing basis to the bottom-line of select tech companies like Apple and Google in order to participate in public life—as if it's on par with the necessity to pay for e.g. renewing your government-issued ID?

[rndgermandude]

>it's another thing for your child's instructor to go along and demand that you use this broken system instead of providing reasonable affordances

I am not sure, but it might be that the teachers are not only encouraged but required to use these systems?

>you don't own an iOS or Android device, or you have no smartphone at all? Is there an actual legal requirement for you to contribute on an ongoing basis to the bottom-line of select tech companies like Apple and Google in order to participate in public life—as if it's on par with the necessity to pay for e.g. renewing your government-issued ID?

That really became a problem here in Germany, when politicians proclaimed that "digital/remote learning" will safe the day in covid times. Not realizing that a lot of kids, especially in the poor neighborhoods, nor their parents, actually have any capable devices for that. Or fast enough internet (with enough mobile data) to support zoom meetings and such each day.

[makeitdouble]

> Or fast enough internet (with enough mobile data) to support zoom meetings and such each day.

Even is wealthier neighborhoods, with what we thought as pretty decent cabled internet, having everyone log in full-time and YouTube/video conferencing like crazy killed the connection speeds to a rate we haven't seen since the 90s.

[pfortuny]

You should not underestimate the power of “ISO-9000” in European institutions (including schools) and the “necessity” of an official “document trail” of everything.

I lecture at a Uni and it has not reached me yet but am expecting it.

[barry-cotter]

> Why aren't you equally as mad at the personnel at your child's school? It's one thing for a national or semi-national rollout of broken enterprise junk, it's another thing for your child's instructor to go along and demand that you use this broken system instead of providing reasonable affordances

You don't expect people who face no consequences for anything short of criminal conduct to change their behavior. Being mad at civil servants is like being mad at the weather and only slightly more likely to accomplish anything.