[madethemcry]

I think that's a pretty good point about maturity. If it's just working people use it without talking much. Similar to Ruby on Rails (RoR) for example, although Angular still changes a lot more than Rails these days.

Another point going into the same direction especially for Angular: It's a very important framework for big enterprises in industries like banking & insurance and probably more I'm not aware of. There are large networks of developers organized in isolated or self-hosted GitHub Enterprise or GitLab instances of enterprises working with Angular, but most of them are not able to talk publicly about it.

I'm sure there are hidden projects based on React, Vue or Svelte too, but I have the feeling the biggest enterprises rely a lot on Angular but don't talk about it, which skews the way people perceive the overall framework landscape.