[mola]

How are automated cars and parking outside the city related?

You can park your car outside the city, and use public transport, no self driving technology is required.

It's not that that they are against progress, they are against shiny new things that don't make sense.

Our need is less cars on the road. Not automated cars available per person in anytime of day. at most this will solve parking, but not congestion.

[throwaway0a5e]

An autonomous car can drop you off at the train stop and then go to the parking lot. That's the same mileage as driving to the parking lot and then walking to the train stop but makes the commute far less soul crushing so more people can/will choose it.

[notahacker]

I don't think most people's resistance to using public transport is a two minute walk between the parking lot and the station entrance.

[whoknowswhat11]

This is where green folks aren't paying attention to what folks want.

Go ahead and ban straws (put in the trash in the restaurant) while letting tons of plastic blow into the ocean from street litter.

Some folks don't want to be on public transit, including liberals and definitely liberal elites (ie, COVID / crime / dirt / safety / whatever).

There is no middle ground on the green / left. We all have to cram into public transit (I took it for a while, the bus would skip my stop if full, NO ONE took action on the clearly crazy idiots disrupting the ride forcing the bus to stop etc). Ideas like robotaxies are fought. Why? I don't get it.

I'm also convinced many liberals / green folks are either very wealthy or don't live in tougher areas. It seems to be -> you take the bus, while I fly my private jet to talk about climate somewhere.

Weirdly, it's going to be the ruthless capitlists, google, uber (ugh!), tesla (run by a bit of maniac) who are moving us forward.

Little support locally. Ie, do a lane on highway dedicated for auto-drive truck trains and cars etc.

[jefftk]

"the bus would skip my stop if full"

Minor, but the problem here is that the bus is full, not that it skips your stop. If there's no room on the bus, there's nothing it can do, so it might as well move faster.

We should not be allowing buses to reach capacity, but this calls for more investment in public transit, not less.

[whoknowswhat11]

The issue with public transit is that

a) its often out of my control in terms of options to fix it

b) some things (violence) seem to have become accepted.

c) there are a ton of (very) entrenched special interests which make touching any element of this difficult.

Options like auto-cars put control in users hands, who can self organize if they want to car share etc.

[danhor]

It's already possible to self organize car sharing, with a spiffy app, insurance rating systems and . But keeping the car in good shape and checking it, as well as the risk on non-availability (which might get better with a self-driving car, but no one wants to wait for the car to driver 30 minutes back) now make it an unattractive option compared to commercial car sharing.

At least here in the Region of Stuttgart, Germany b) and c) mostly don't apply (and I'm pretty certain they don't in most other parts of europe) and most issues with public transit here (limited core capacity leading to overcrowding, higher prices) similarly apply to cars and automated cars (with congestion and usually higher cost of ownership than public transit time cards) and can't be solved there either by an individual. The unique issues not common to other modes of transport are bad service in some parts, depending on the route a long duration compared to car travel and an aging infrastructure leading to a few issues (but due to be replaced in the near future™).

Most of those stem partially from chronic underinvestment with some rail connections closed in the 50s still not being reactivated. But unless a car isn't needed for the daily commute (due to public transit or more home office or active transportation) it's hard to imagine car sharing or self driving cars helping a lot.

[whoknowswhat11]

I lived in Europe for a number of years. At least then, transit was great and I used it extensively. In San Francisco at least, for policy reasons, transit is pretty grim.

I witnessed a guy getting beat up for stopping a tourist scam. Interestingly, after they grabbed his shoes and he chased them HE was arrested.

I saw an old women be spit on (huge spit) while sitting in the handicap seat.

What's very unique in San Francisco, passengers know that if they get involved and a claim of excessive force, racial etc factors come in - they may have a career ending consequences or liability. AS a result, again, no one will help you. It's really amazing watching TOTALLY brazen theft from stores, from cars, folks getting harassed while on transit. No one will step in. I wouldn't be surprised if someone was dying that folks might step over them or around them, it's that socialized.

This may have changed in the EU, but when I was there it just wasn't comparable at all. The US model for transit has soured me a bit on transit. At some point you need to make it so it serves the 95% that want a safe ride, perhaps doing on call pickup transits for those struggling with mental health / drug and other issues who still need to get places?

Bottom line though - I'd encourage govt to create safe options people WANT to use vs focusing on banning things (out here major efforts to get uber banned so taxi cartels could take over again with their "broken" credit card meters, unreliable pickups, failures to service areas etc).

[wolverine876]

Where do you ride public transit? I use it regularly. I've never seen violence, there is plenty of public input, and for specific needs, the personnel generally are helpful.

[wolverine876]

Could you back up some of these claims? Skip the stereotypes.

> it's going to be the ruthless capitlists, google, uber (ugh!), tesla (run by a bit of maniac) who are moving us forward.

They haven't done a great job of it yet, but when people spread these claims, the 'ruthless capitalists' sure benefit.

[xmprt]

A full bus sounds like a great problem to have. Imagine if every single person in that bus decided to take a 4 seater car to their destination instead.

[wolverine876]

Also, full buses provide funding for a second bus, more routes, and more frequent pickups.