[Zababa]

> Why is the difference in incarceration rate between men and women or the police shooting rate not presented as systemic discrimination?

I've tried multiple time the argument "if we have quotas in top positions like board of directors, high-prestige public institutions, we should also have them in bottom positions. Where are the inclusivity programs for prisons?". The answer that I've always received was "these are totally different", as in you end up in a board of directors due to chance and privilege, but you end up in prison due to your own actions.

While this argument is a bit stupid and not really constructive, I find it surprising how easily it reveals that people apply very different standards to different social issues. It seem that for most people, the mechanism which makes men dominate society is totally different from the mechanism which makes men be at the bottom of society. My explanation for that is that the glass ceiling comes with a glass floor.

I personally haven't found other people talking about things this way, but that may be me not researching enough. I also find it unfair that some people would be in this "glass box" just because of how they were born. But I'll admit that I find it troubling when I hear people talking about "breaking the glass ceiling" all the time, which seem to benefit mostly people already well-off in society that want event more (at least for positions like board of directors), while leaving people to rot in prison because they're male.

[_3u10]

Men likely just commit more crimes. I do think there is huge bias in sentencing though. You have to know how to interact with police tho, I think many men's intuition on how to do this is lacking.

Lawrence Summers got in a lot of trouble discussing this.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_Summers#Differences_b... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Variability_hypothesis

[Zababa]

> Men likely just commit more crimes.

I think the thing that makes men commit more crimes is the same that makes them be at the "top". Thank you for that link about the variability hypothesis, that seem to be what I'm thinking about.

[nasmorn]

Committing crimes without getting caught is also how you can become a board director. There are other ways too obviously. Mostly wage theft, anti competitive crimes or some embezzlement. The kind of crimes privileged people would commit.

[Zababa]

Fair point, though I have honestly no idea of the percentage of board directors that have committed white collar crime.

[_3u10]

It's zero or near zero. Committing crimes generally bars one from being a director, especially public companies. White collar crime sentences generally preclude serving on any board until their dues are paid to society. Even personal bankruptcy can preclude being a director.