[piva00]

The DFAM is a unique design, that's it. The interplay of the components is its innovation (how the envelopes are normalised to the sequencer, etc.) Behringer copied it, while it's in production by Moog, it's an asshole move.

Just like it's an asshole move to clone the Arturia Keystep, a pretty simple and accessible MIDI controller costing around US$ 100. Why would Behringer clone it except for being an immoral company?

Cloning designs on synth world is a big no-no if the original is still in production.

I really don't get how you can defend Uli Behringer's schenanigans, he has had a lot of them.

This hand waving of a practice that is extremely frowned upon in the synth subculture is very off putting. Even more when I read with this techy-talk about "innovation", give me a break... Uli Behringer is an asshole, a narcissistic one.

[klodolph]

> Why would Behringer clone it except for being an immoral company?

Could you rephrase that? I’m not sure I can dig out what you’re trying to say.

> Cloning designs on synth world is a big no-no if the original is still in production.

Why is it a no-no?

> I really don't get how you can defend Uli Behringer's schenanigans, he has had a lot of them.

Oh, he’s done plenty of shitty things. I don’t think that cloning hardware is shitty. How do you feel about Malt-O-Meal cereals?

> This hand waving of a practice that is extremely frowned upon in the synth subculture is very off putting.

I don’t frown upon it. I don’t think it’s wrong. My behavior of buying a Behringer synthesizer, one of the most popular brand of synthesizers, is not off-putting to most people.

> Uli Behringer is an asshole, a narcissistic one.

I don’t care. I’m not going to, like, sit in my basement running Temple OS just so I can avoid using products made by assholes. People should face consequences for their actions, but I don’t buy products as some deranged way of voting on which CEO I like the best.

[piva00]

To be honest, I don't think we are coming into this from the same moral view so it's a bit pointless trying to expand on it.

Copying a currently in production design that some other company devoted resources to come up with is immoral in my worldview even if it's not illegal, it's a shit move and I don't condone it by not buying their products. The CEO basically being the company is why I throw Uli's name around.

I don't really get how you can defend them copying the Arturia Keystep, it's close to the pinnacle of a shit company to clone something that was already inexpensive (as far as music gear goes), it's a cash-grab in everything they do.

You do you, of course.

[klodolph]

> Copying a currently in production design that some other company devoted resources to come up with is immoral in my worldview even if it's not illegal, it's a shit move and I don't condone it by not buying their products.

I already think patent protections are a bit too strong, and this kind of stuff is not even up to the level where it would get patent protections in the first place. Let me ask… is it an asshole move to make a Photoshop clone? Or is that fair game? Is it okay to buy a strat-style guitar from Kramer, or should I stick with Fender? Is G&L a gray area?