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by crishoj 1686 days ago
Germany has legislation coming into effect in 2023 requiring credit/debit card readers on all new EV chargers: https://www.cleanenergywire.org/news/new-ev-chargers-germany...
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And I've seen people calling that typical backwards German internet policy. Not sure why closed-wall, obscure subscription solutions to pay for commodity services would be preferable to a robust, proven and easily accessible payment solution like credit/debit cards. It works at scale for fuel, why not for electricity? Heck, if you want it fancy throw in Google, Apple Pay or whatever contactless solution there is.

As far as payment for charging is concerned, EVs seem to be really backwards compared to to the existing fuel station networks.

Also intriguing how Tesla is able to sell a legal requirement as a great initiative on their behalf.

The criticism I heard on DeutschlandFunk was that now they can't build chargers into thin lampposts or other places with space constraints.

It also makes chargers more expensive both in production cost and in maintenance, as you have to support a display and physical buttons and stuff, all that for a "legacy payment method".

Presumably the payment terminal doesn't need to be built into the individual charger itself. Just like paying for parking in a large car park, there aren't parking meters on every individual space, but rather you can walk to a central terminal to pay.
So on the one side we are pushing all kinds of contactless payment methods, incl. credit cards, only to call them "legacy" once those don't result in yet another walled garden but rather the opposite.
> Not sure why closed-wall, obscure subscription solutions to pay for commodity services would be preferable to a robust, proven and easily accessible payment solution like credit/debit cards

Because these obscure methods of paying usually work out a lot cheaper than paying directly by credit card (usually they have a QR code with a website).

IIRC that only requires an nfc capable credit card reader so still "waving a card in front of the machine".
Which is fine. Buy (electric) fuel like you'd buy a bread. Good news, looking forward to that as it will simplify electric mobility furthermore.
> Which is fine. Buy (electric) fuel like you'd buy a bread.

Are you implying you are able to can use a card to pay in a German bakery?

COVID changed a lot.

I can pay by card in chain bakeries and most non chain bakeries around me.

My supermarket recently upgraded their card reader to a model which doesn't take an eternity to process a nfc transaction.

Restaurants are the biggest hold outs and there many which still only take cash (presumably for "tax reasons").

Yes!

As others have mentioned, Covid was a huuuuuuge boost for the acceptance of cashless payment systems in Germany. Even small business now have card readers and don't raise an eye when you want to pay 7,83 by card.

If anything good came out of Covid it might be this.

You can use cards prettey much everywhere in the EU. From massive chains to street carts.
> From massive chains to street carts.

I was specifically talking about Germany and its love for cash. It can be tricky to pay with cards in restaurants and small stores. It is a well known quirk.

https://www.bbc.com/worklife/article/20200520-will-coronavir...

Not in Germany!
Has been steadily on the rise, most German bakeries I know now have card payments.
In Hamburg I pay using my Apple watch all the time, even when it's just for a Franzbrötchen or other small orders
I do every day, smaller bakery (no chain), they don't take cash anymore since COVID.
Maybe if it's colocated with or part of a supermarket.
Most, if not all, bakeries in my vicinity allow card payments. Even the small, owner operated bakery a few blocks downtown.

I know, purely anecdotal. But it goes to show that we Germans maybe aren't as backwards-thinking ;)