[mbg721]

Given that I am also a conservative Catholic, there are plenty of things to wrestle with here.

One is that we're engaged in our own internal culture-war around liturgy, the dwindling priesthood, and what to do about social issues that pit Western society's priorities against long-standing Church doctrine. When the most prominent Catholics in the news aren't acting Catholic, that drives us crazy.

But I don't think pluralism is really the problem; Catholics, at least in America in my lifetime, never had any kind of puritanical control. The problem is that there's a new amorphous religion of the state that insists it doesn't exist.

[iammisc]

Pluralism is not a problem, because civic disagreement is not a problem. I was responding directly to the parent comment:

> It's America--everybody thinks everybody else is living their lives the wrong way.

I'm explaining why it is that others think they are living the wrong way.

> One is that we're engaged in our own internal culture-war around liturgy, the dwindling priesthood, and what to do about social issues that pit Western society's priorities against long-standing Church doctrine. When the most prominent Catholics in the news aren't acting Catholic, that drives us crazy.

Absolutely, and it's because the church in America is splitting into two cultures. On one hand, there are catholics who want to be American, and fit in with secular society. On the other hand, there are those who don't see it as that important. These two groups have different cultures.