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by revolvingocelot 1689 days ago
>There is a case of a woman whose condition deteriorated rapidly after having consumed some common herbs and died within a day or two. I think she had MS.

I'm so, so glad I can finally downvote friend-of-a-friend rumourmongering like this. Maybe this is something legitimate, but handwaving an entire anecdote on a forum like this, with no definite information except "a case" involving "a woman" and her "condition", is baffling.

Maybe don't listen to this user's suggestions about NAC without verifying something about it, which was too much trouble for them.

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I am too lazy to look for it. It is on PubMed. In any case, there are many cases of n=1 on HN. Plus, it is not unheard of that immunostimulants may be quite harmful for people with an autoimmune disorder, say, MS. I merely mentioned this case because it is an odd one. She was fine. She took some herbs, and her condition worsened until she died like a day after. I will never forget it. Too bad I cannot seem to find it.
>In any case, there are many cases of n=1 on HN. Plus, it is not unheard of that immunostimulants may be quite harmful for people with an autoimmune disorder, say, MS.

That's not the point! Perhaps it is on PubMed, but with the FUD-like "information" you've provided it's just a scary rumour about "herbs", and entirely unhelpful. Is MS even the illness at issue? Should people with that illness avoid cilantro? Milk thistle? Oregano?

>I will never forget it.

You have not remembered it!

I think I found the article: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3130893/ (Acute Demyelinating Disease after Oral Therapy with Herbal Extracts)

So to answer your question: The formulation of tablets (labelled as ‘immunostimulant’) consisted of Echinacea purpurea 45 mg, Uncaria tomentosa 37.5 mg, and Tabebuia avellanedae and Plantago maritima 30 mg.

I only remembered the Echinacea one. It actually has been an issue in many of these cases, so I avoid it. As I said, immunostimulants for people with autoimmune disorder are usually not good. Immunomodulators can be, but that depends as well. For example allicin and propolis reduce production of inflammatory cytokines such as IL-6 and TNF-α, which from what I recall is good for MS.

Plus:

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamadermatology/fullarticle... (Activation of autoimmunity following use of immunostimulatory herbal supplements)

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32553683/ (The effects of immunostimulatory herbal supplements on autoimmune skin diseases)

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6144106/ (Drug-induced autoimmune hepatitis associated with turmeric dietary supplement use)

It was not intended to be FUD at all, chill. I take lots of herbal supplements and I have MS.