[candiodari]

Wait what? I mean, seriously either 1) you believe the vaccine works: in that case YOU are safe if you're vaccinated, regardless of others. 2) you believe the vaccine doesn't work: it doesn't matter.

So ... what? You don't believe either of those?

[_djo_]

Almost no vaccines work that way. They’re not magic shields.

In reality protection is slightly variable depending on a host of factors including age & immune response, but on a _population_ level they work to bring the disease under control.

The polio vaccine ended that disease’s existence in most of the world, but it’s not perfect. If you’re vaccinated with the regular schedule and go to a polio-endemic area you may still get it. That’s why people who may be exposed to it in places where it’s endemic or in labs need additional booster shots according to CDC guidelines.

[malermeister]

The reality is neither of those. The vaccine works, but not perfectly. As such, the protection is the product of the protections of everyone you come in contact with.

[candiodari]

Yes there can be a short-lived infection with covid even when you're vaccinated. It's going to be very short lived and not dangerous, and I believe I once read a study that claims humans face some 50 short-lived infections daily. Mostly not covid, not even a virus at all: mostly bacterial ones.

Lots of people die effectively from pneumonia ("natural causes", but pneumonia is the drop that overflows the bucket). And if you turn out to be one of them, you know where the bacteria that's going to kill you currently is? It's on your skin. Right now. Best to take no chances and burn your skin off, because you're sure as hell not going to get it off with any less serious measures.

[malermeister]

If you think a simple shot that in the worst case has you feeling kind of off for a few days is comparable to ... taking off your skin, then frankly you are a lunatic.

It's also not as much about my risk if I were to get infected, but me transmitting it to somebody else.

Like say my grandma. She's vaccinated, but she's also 80. In that age group, vaccines might not be enough. Look at Colin Powell. Vaccinated twice, still dead from Covid.

I'm tired of inconsiderate assholes making up elaborate excuses to continue being a risk to everyone cause they don't want the inconvenience of a needle

[dham]

The biggest thing you can do is get vaccinated and lose like 50 lbs. My grandpa is 85, he got it and it was nothing. He's also not carrying any extra weight and still works and repairs watches. He got Covid at work. I think there's mental aspect and physical aspect. Obviously an anecdote but I think there's few things to take a way.