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by cuddlybacon 1691 days ago
Could it be that your over 30?

There is a problem known as the multi-armed bandit problem[0]. The problem deals with situations where you have to chose between different options you could take, but you don't start off with full knowledge of the options. You can spend time learning the options (exploring) or you can spend time using the best option you already know of (exploit). Importantly, you can't do both at the same time.

In general, good strategies start with a phase of exploring followed by exploiting.

Humans follow this pattern as well. For us, it seems we spend our late childhood, thru our teens, and into our early 20's in a heavily explore-biased state then switch to exploit biased for our 30's and later.

So the thing that happened to "exploring the internet" is you got older. Exploring for the sake of exploring is no longer as innately desirable to you know as it was when you were younger. You can still do it now. In many ways there are new tools that make it easier (see other posts) but it will likely feel more like work in a way which wasn't true when you were younger.

[0] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-armed_bandit

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I think you have a point but could it be that after some age we simply don’t have time to explore because we are required to exploit?

I personally know some quite old people who seem to be into exploring all the time with periods of exploitation and all of them are people with mundane jobs that end when it ends. Their mental capacity is at their hobbies and they sometimes invest into their hobbies a lot, however they would come up with other hobbies all the time.

That’s in contrast to the white collar folks who’s life becomes work and all they do outside of work is to pay for some curated experience like vacation to Paris or Cooking lessons. They never have time for anything, they deeply specialize at something like building systems that catch people engaging in known money laundering schemes.

After some age you are in track to specialize a lot, make a lot of money and spends that money within the acceptable framework with your peers.

Also, the effects of the algorithms could be strong too. I noticed that it has been quite some time since the last time I was bored deeply. At the slightest sign of boredom I find myself getting entertained on one of the few apps and website I visit. It makes me feel like I’m exploring but in reality, I rarely see anything that is not a variation of something from the narrative of the platform.

I'd argue that the explore/exploit model has worked bi-directionally between entrepreneurs and consumers on the internet. The big companies have explored our weaknesses and exploited them in ways to monopolize our time and interests while having a few decades to perfect it. That, and as you mentioned, a growing elderly base on the internet that's settled more on the sources of information they consume.
I disagree that is has to be this way. I am getting older, but still exploring every day. You do need to keep moving on to green pastures as old ones have been chewed over. In 2021 I'll have lived in 6 cities in 3 countries. I've also been going down the rabbit hole on VR which is fresh technology terrain for me and takes me back to when I was 17 and setting up home networks for the fun and awe of it.
Interesting hypothesis.

My personal experience is that I've shifted away from "exploring the Internet" to exploring other domains of lived experience. I suppose in this sense, I am now "exploiting the Internet", but I would not say that I have overall shifted to a more exploit-focused regime.

I just wrote an answer to this post and saw your comment afterwards. I am over 30 and the pattern I explained in my comment all points towards getting older and mature.

Does it mean that young people are still exploring the internet and computer today the way I use to back when I was young?

> Does it mean that young people are still exploring the internet and computer today the way I use to back when I was young?

Yes, but they're exploring TikTok, YouTube and to a lesser extent, Instagram. There are oceans of content to explore on those platforms.

TikTok is the closest thing to the early Internet IMO, although it's becoming much more commercial like Instagram now.

But that sort of democratisation of view points and content is great.

Seems like you could use the same argument to say that the olds are still exploring too. I certainly have a lot of friends that spend hours watching random videos on TikTok and Youtube and they're in their 40s.
Don't forget Discord, Minecraft, and Roblox.
What you describe for humans may be applied to the Internet itself: it turned 30.
I'm guessing there's a more general name for the concept, but drawing a blank.

This is essentially the reason advertisers tend to target the young - those over a certain age are more set in their ways and not looking for new options.

It's called "exploration vs exploitation". Unless you meant the idea that older people need to explore less because they're already done it. I don't think there's a name for that specific idea.
I originally searched for "exploration vs exploitation" but that lead to the "multi-armed bandit problem" on wikipedia, so I went with that on my post above.

I do that "exploration vs exploitation" is a better name for it though.

Yes, the general name is "ageism". This has nothing to do with young versus old. Younger people are funnelled to a small number of larger sites just as much as older people.
Is there a source or research around humans following this pattern?
I first encountered it via this book:

https://www.amazon.com/Algorithms-to-Live-By-audiobook/dp/B0...

The wikipedia article also briefly mentions that it is observed in animals.

Tons, the book "Algorithms to live by" go head first into this - https://www.amazon.com/Algorithms-Live-Computer-Science-Deci...

It can sound a bit simple at first, but the human - algo stories are terrific.

Are there examples that aren't that book (or derived from that book)?