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Thanks, that was the question:

> You could then have an 'almost black hole' that looks just like a real black hole but allows gravity to escape

I wondered if that answer to the conundrum could apply to all black holes. I suppose not

For real black holes, I suppose we should say they are not true singularities where the event horizon curvature goes vertical, but simply that curvature goes beyond the speed of light, so the maths still makes sense

Thanks that is a lot more logical

So then the effect of gravity from a real black hole would be like the effect of a messy person after they've left the room, and the reason why the effect of a black hole is felt for much longer is because of time dilation, and gravity doesn't experience redshift?