[5e92cb50239222b]

> And let's not forget the excellent Linux support on the thinkpad line (partially thanks to Ubuntu?).

From what I heard, mostly thanks to thankless employees at Red Hat who get these machines for work and batter them into submission (by reverse-engineering the hardware and writing device drivers). Lenovo only deserves the middle finger here.

Edit: or maybe it does not. Read this: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28978330

[jwildeboer]

Well, actually ;)

That relationship has become a lot better over the years. We get early access to new hardware, Lenovo did a lot to get fwupd integrated, etc.

No OEM preload necessary on the business line machines. RHEL/Fedora installs just fine OOTB. Some problems remain, especially with Thunderbolt (docking stations) but that’s not just Lenovos fault, IMHO.

Disclaimer: Red Hatter since 2005

[syshum]

I am torn... Do I thank RedHat for Linux support on laptops, or do i hate RedHat for killing CentOS....

[5e92cb50239222b]

It's not a monolithic solid entity, is it? As I see it, those doing actual work deserve praise and respect (Red Hat does a lot of kernel and low-level plumbing work), while management is… typical management. Same as Mozilla and some other companies.

[sam_lowry_]

...for systemd, hate them for systemd!

[gtirloni]

Love and hate. That's the way of the Linux wizard.