The battery swap stations were a scam to get subsidies. They aren't any more real than the Cybertruck, Model 2, Roadster, solar roofs, semi, or Full Self Driving.
All Model S did support that capability early on. Because of reports about Tesla on fire Tesla added a shield under the car that made hot swapping no longer possible.
The reality is, as a company they had X amount of capital to solve long distance driving. It was clear pretty quickly that Superchargers was far better and more scalable technology. When they started with Model S they were not yet sure what the better strategy was.
Model 2 is literally a name something that fans made up. Tesla is internally working on a cheaper car then Model 3 (obously) but they have not talked about it more then 'we are working on it')
Solar roofs are deployed literally every week. By what measure are the 'not real'?
The other products are clearly in the pipeline, calling the a scam is dumb. Lots of car companies have announced products that will not be actually build for a few years. What the big deal? Products get delayed all the time in automotive.
1. They built precisely zero stations for battery swaps.
2. Tesla has been promising a car for $35k or less for years now and still does not sell one.
3. The solar roofs exist only to give an excuse to bail out Elon's cousins. Installations are currently lower than 20% of Tesla's projections and are declining rapidly. They are bad solar panels because they are more expensive to manufacture, far more expensive to install, less durable, and less efficient than an ordinary installation. They are bad roofs because they are more expensive to manufacture, far more expensive to install, and far less durable than ordinary roofs.
4. The Cybertruck is a concept. They have made not even a single working prototype. There has been no news since the scale model had its glass busted over 700 days ago. Similarly, there has never been a working Roadster and we have seen no real information in over three years.
5. The Semi is an asinine idea and cannot ever work. Trucks have a weight limit and run as close as possible to that limit. Batteries are heavy. Using our best technology an electric semi would have well under half the capacity of a normal one even for very short trips.
That was their target price before the product launch, must be the first time in history a company didn't hit is project price. For a while they did have a version at that price, that version was supposed to have no Autopilot and few other things were missing. They discontinued that option.
> The solar roofs exist
Oh now they do exist. Don't hurt yourself running down field with those goalposts.
> bail out Elon's cousins
Lol, what nonsense. If it was about that they would have just continued with normal solar panels.
> lower than 20% of Tesla's projections and are declining rapidly
Wrong they are actually increasing, 46% growth in solar YoY this Quarter. And I'm sure that its the first time in the history of capitalism that a company didn't reach the production volume they had planned.
This is a huge growth market and continuing to play in it makes simple sense even if its not a huge part of current revenue.
> They have made not even a single working prototype.
There is literally footage from a prototype on a testing area from like a week ago. And the initial prototype has been driving around all over the place.
> They are bad roofs because they are more expensive to manufacture, far more expensive to install,
They are supposed to be for people who would then put solar on their roof after, of course its more expensive to install. What you should compare it to is building a normal roof and then add solar installation on top of that.
> and far less durable than ordinary roofs.
There are literally videos out-there where in a massive hale-storm you see many people with damaged roofs and the solar roof is perfectly fine.
> There has been no news since
There was 'no news' about a refresh of Model S/X for a long time, they even said its not gone happen. And then it happened. Crazy how companies don't feel the need to update you every second on what they are doing. I guess as soon as company doesn't update you, every project should be considered dead.
There was actually a bunch of news but I guess you decided its a fake product so following it isn't relevant.
And again, they are literally building a gigantic factory, they are LITERALLY ordering tools from suppliers for that factory. IRDA for example has publicly stated they are building an 8000 ton press for the rear under-body of the Cybertruck. There has been some leaked info about Tesla ordering the stainless steal, its actually their own material so they need have somebody make it for them in gigantic quantities.
Literally every indication is that there is a very active program at bringing the vehicle to market, no matter if you like it or not.
> The Semi is an asinine idea and cannot ever work.
Lol you people always come out of the wood work. They are supply constrained, they are not lying about their product line. FSD being the only maybe but I genuinely think they think they can make it work.
It has been 700 days since Tesla & Co debuted the Cybertruck and took pre-orders, with no new tangible updates.
It has been 1,435 days since Tesla & Co took pre-orders charging a $50,000 deposit to pre-order the roadster.
It has been 1,435 days since Tesla & Co announced the Tesla Semi, with no new tangible updates since 2017.
They have legally filed that their system is, and will be for the long foreseeable future, level 2 autonomy, far from "full self driving" of L5 autonony that they advertise and actively market to unknowing consumers.
You can get all that money back if you do no longer want to wait for the product. What's your issue?
> with no new tangible updates since 2017.
They have just installed Megacharger in Nevada. New Test Semi were spotted a couple of time. They are hiring people for the Semi part of the company pretty constantly.
> with no new tangible updates.
Other then building a gigantic factory dedicated for building the car.
> to unknowing consumers.
I assume you mean consumers who are unable to read.
>You can get all that money back if you do no longer want to wait for the product. What's your issue?
I don't love fraud. Tesla loses money on every car it sells and cooks the books by charging for imaginary options. That is cut-and-dry securities fraud.
>Other then building a gigantic factory dedicated for building the car.
Tesla does not operate gigantic factories. They're a pipsqueak.
They would make so much money with a model 2 that they might be able to justify their valuation. I find it hard to believe that they won't eventually build it. Obviously not going to happen until factories are not at capacity with higher margin cars, but it seems likely to eventually happen.
There are affordable electric cars on the market today with better build quality than what Tesla sells for $80k. Someone will make a killing off affordable electric cars. Every indication is it will not be Tesla.
You honestly sound like a short seller or something. Tesla owns the vast majority of EV sales in US and other countries. You act as if other companies will easily catch up on major moats like battery tech/supercharging network/autopilot, but that Tesla can't improve on Build Quality?
You think "Autopilot" is a moat? Every other company has had that stuff for ten years and their systems actually work. Adaptive cruise control ain't new.
And no, I don't think Tesla can improve on build quality. Their cars are fantastically shit. May as well consider Yugo a competitor to Bentley.
The reality is, as a company they had X amount of capital to solve long distance driving. It was clear pretty quickly that Superchargers was far better and more scalable technology. When they started with Model S they were not yet sure what the better strategy was.
Model 2 is literally a name something that fans made up. Tesla is internally working on a cheaper car then Model 3 (obously) but they have not talked about it more then 'we are working on it')
Solar roofs are deployed literally every week. By what measure are the 'not real'?
The other products are clearly in the pipeline, calling the a scam is dumb. Lots of car companies have announced products that will not be actually build for a few years. What the big deal? Products get delayed all the time in automotive.