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by bryanrasmussen 1699 days ago
>are statistically disproportionately members of groups that are not traditionally insulted in media.

are you sure? In regards to HN, are there no negative stereotypes of nerds, geeks, computer programmers out there? How about those with autism, or ADHD - I mean I find myself insulted quite a lot in life, never mind in just the media.

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Do you have any evidence that the majority of autistics are complaining about "woke" culture? As an autistic it's my understanding that if anything we tend to be overrepresented in "social justice" causes online because we tend towards systems thinking and systemic critique tends towards leftism and liberalism whereas conservatives usually emphasize "personal responsibility" and individualism.

There are many cases of people using autism as a justification for reactionary behavior but the people I see most loudly attacking them for it are other autistics.

Shows like The Big Bang Theory which undeniably make fun of autistic traits usually also carry a lot of other messaging progressives find distasteful (e.g. in this case, misogyny framed as "charming" and "dorky" because the characters are portrayed as unthreatening or downright impotent). Nerd culture especially of the late 90s and early 00s is also rife with sexism, racism and ableism while especially nowadays also undeniably having extremely progressive spaces within its subculture (e.g. TTRPGs in particular are a space for experimenting with identity and gender expression which can make them especially appealing to queer people).

The negative treatment of nerds, geeks and programmers in popular media (which has btw massively declined since the 1980s and especially within the dot com era) in my experience also doesn't come from "woke progressives" but rather neatly follows anti-feminist ideas of masculinity, ridiculing these groups for failing to satisfy gendered expectations. "Woke" critique usually focusses on the sexist, racist and generally bigoted attitudes often still present in wide parts of those cultures but even more so in gaming (which is so widely acknowledged even within gaming culture that "heated gamer moment" has become a popular phrase to refer to someone openly spouting bigotry).

>>are statistically disproportionately members of groups that are not traditionally insulted in media.

>Do you have any evidence that the majority of autistics are complaining about "woke" culture?

You're right that is probably the weakest part of my response, since I don't have any particular evidence.

On the other hand the disproportionate members of groups seemed specifically in reference to people on HN who are likely to be in the group of nerds, geeks, programmers group. So if those groups are among the ones on HN complaining about wokeness, then I guess it doesn't really matter that the parts of the media they are getting insulted in are parts getting attacked as non-woke.

The original argument was that groups (on HN) complaining about wokeness are comprised of people not insulted by media. I suppose there are people on HN who find wokeness distasteful even if they are among groups that might be helped by it in some contexts.