[jacobobryant]

nice thing about hjkl is that by pure luck it still has good placement on Dvorak.

[kreetx]

I happen to use Dvorak, so you must be kidding?

[jacobobryant]

No. I also use Dvorak + Vim and I'm happy with the hjkl placement. Sure they're not all adjacent, but there's enough symmetry that I've never found it annoying.

[helmholtz]

Mate, that's still a ways away from being 'good'. For one thing, I'm constantly recording macros in vim when I mean to scroll down.