[yurishimo]

> If you don't want to write JavaScript, you probably shouldn't be building interactive applications for the web.

Wow, thanks! I've been writing production apps in Vue and React for large companies for years now, but good to know I can stop. /s

I have nothing against JS; I have problems with complexity on teams of varying skill levels and tenure. If you're a JS shop, it's great. But if you're an agency of Rails developers building CRUD apps for B2B, you shouldn't feel forced to write a bunch of JS just to get some values updating on the frontend in realtime.

[lsalvatore]

You don't need to write a bunch of JS, that's why JavaScript frameworks like React exist to make this easy. JavaScript is the only client-side scripting language on the browser that you can use to manipulate the DOM. If you want to locally CRUD without making a round trip to the server- you have two options- manual DOM manipulation, or use a JavaScript framework. That idea that HTML streaming will replace JS frameworks and REST APIs, and is easier and less problematic than a JS framework, is preposterous to me.

[subsection1h]

Who said that JavaScript frameworks and REST APIs are going to be replaced?

I've noticed that many people who enjoy developing SPAs believe that SPAs are the only way that web apps should be developed, and when anyone suggests otherwise, they get very defensive. Pretty weird.