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by dragonwriter 1708 days ago
> There's nothing unusual about private parties being able to assess penalties against other private parties

Absent a contract, there is, and even with a contract there are limits.

> Your bank does it all the time.

Within a contractual relation and governed by the contract, sure. But that's not what you are talking about.

> It does not make a mockery of the justice system.

Outside of the bounds of contract, it would, as it would amount to private parties making and adjudicating public law.

> If a failed frivolous lawsuit against Twitter automatically gave Twitter a claim on the plaintiff's assets, that would in fact not violate every tenet of the western justice system,

Yes, it would. Now, if merely a failed lawsuit did, it might not, as the failure itself is the conclusion of an adjudication, leaving no private determination to be made.

> It is a system that has obtained elsewhere and that people frequently advocate for.

No, its not, nor is it Twitter assessing a penalty. Loser pays is civil lawsuits is a thing, but it involves the court, not the offended party, assessing the penalty.

Loser pays for frivolous lawsuits only (but not all failed lawsuits) is also a thing, and is common in US jurisdictions, but requires a separate court determination that the claim was frivolous as well as the court assessing damages.

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A penalty for filing a bad suit can be (and notionally already is!) part of the price of filing suit, just as overdraft penalties are part of the price of a bank account. A contract between the plaintiff and the defendant is not necessary.

> Loser pays for frivolous lawsuits only (but not all failed lawsuits) is also a thing, and is common in US jurisdictions, but requires a separate court determination

Requiring a separate court determination is a coincidence of the American system, not a logical necessity.

> Requiring a separate court determination is a coincidence of the American system, not a logical necessity.

No, its a logical necessity. “Frivolous” is a separate facr feom “losing”.