[pcmoney]

I mean sure but the track record of American Tech Companies speaks for itself.

Wanna know what the truly passionate programmer does? Ship things that make money.

If they don’t they are a hobbyist not a professional because it isn’t a profession for them.

[seoulmetro]

No. Truly passionate programmer doesn't ship at all, they create work for themselves.

Earning money or not does not recognise the difference between hobby and profession. Ironically a lot of hobbyists make money and very few professionals work for free.

[pcmoney]

I guess if you redefine what programming is you can say that. It is literally just finding efficient and maintainable ways to shuffle 0s and 1s so a computer does something a user wants it to do. Thats it.

Now there are good ways to do that and bad ways and we should take pride in our work but lets not pretend when we say “programming is an art” that we mean like a real art. Laying tile and drywall is also an “art” but people don’t care unless its part of a building.

[seoulmetro]

Nope. No redefining required.

I don't think you're replying to anything I said at this point.