[caiobegotti]

As a brazilian I don't believe for a second that these are actual efforts unless Brazil (holding 1/5 of all planet's biodiversity alone) is held accountable enough to see economical sanctions being enforced by more developed countries. I can't think of other last resorts efforts other than economical ones and Brazil would surely listen to those if they were enforced right.

[sleepysysadmin]

>As a brazilian I don't believe for a second that these are actual efforts unless Brazil (holding 1/5 of all planet's biodiversity alone) is held accountable enough to see economical sanctions being enforced by more developed countries. I can't think of other last resorts efforts other than economical ones and Brazil would surely listen to those if they were enforced right.

How do you feel about external countries dictating your government policy? Often this won't go the way you want.

Is Mercosur unpopular in Brazil? Eliminating it would be quite costly to the world.

[marcosdumay]

I'm not the GP (clearly), but... You mean, having the Brazilian people be denied chances of getting less poor by some high polluting countries that made the (implied correct) choice to destroy their biodiversity before the 20th century because we are unable to stop individuals from destroying part of what we preserved until today?

I don't see any chance of this not going bad. It would set the climate to somebody much worse than Bolsonaro to get into power. I don't see how the GP could ever want it, but there is a small and loud political movement that does ask for it.

(By the way, Mercosul is popular in Brazil. Preserving forests is too. Preserving non-forest biodiversity is less popular, but as soon as people see the choice, they like it. All of those have strong opposition from small groups.)

[caiobegotti]

Personally I believe in full sovereignty and I want that, but it can still exist inside economical dynamics. Also, Mercosul is popular enough, I've never heard about people wanting it to be over for economical reasons or borders (only due to ideological politics fights).

[mistrial9]

"dictating" is a landmine word, and almost certainly causes an arguement

[esturk]

But isn't that what's happening in this entire thread? Everyone here seems to have their "opinion" on how other countries "should" behave. Most of which involving drastic changes in lifestyle like eating and procreation habits. Never once considering what those countries would feel about.

[sleepysysadmin]

>"dictating" is a landmine word, and almost certainly causes an arguement

I believe it's a fair statement. If you come in with economic sanctions with policy in mind. You have dictated what that policy is. There's no beating around the bush.