[bellyfullofbac]

Not the person you're replying to, but if everyone gets a shot then the restrictions can go away. There a lot of articles[1] that say vaccinated can get Covid, but the chances of a bad sickness or death is much much lower. If everyone is vaccinated then Covid will really just be a flu.

For example Portugal with 98% vaccination rate and no idiots screaming "oppression!" has dropped mask mandates.

Sometimes I do wish the governments would just drop restrictions and let the unvaccinated deal with it, but luckily for them, governments still have a duty to care even for the belligerent, even providing them with hospital care when they get the virus.

[1] which the antivaxxer can just dismiss as propaganda or fake news!

[_prototype_]

Go ask Israel. They are on their third required booster shot. Are you so naive that you think the government will give up this power after it has successfully forced the masses to inject a vaccine with no long terms studies?

[bellyfullofbac]

Ooh (Halloween ghost noises), scary government(s), competent operators of worldwide conspiracies...

In my view you and the other conspiracy-minded are the ones who think/act like children and that the world is an Avengers movie with a baddie that has a complicated scheme to rule the world.

Why would government/the global elite need to use a virus or a vaccine to control us, they already do so by indoctrinating us since first grade to be devoted to money. Yeah yeah, I've read the arguments, "mask mandate/forced lockdowns/quarantines -> injection with 'scary unknown substance' mandate -> ... -> gas chambers". But why, what good would it be to kill us all?

If they really want to poison us all, why do they need a "subplot" of introducing some fancy mRNA vaccine, and needing a to include a character who's been working on mRNA for 30 years? Why not just introduce some medication that doesn't work and tout it as the cure. Oh wait, do hydroblahblahquine or Ivermectin work..?

"15 days to slow the spread", I googled it, that was March 2020, before scientists knew the virus and before Delta.

Also, this pandemic has now been in 2 administrations. So, was Trump in on it and Biden is continuing it? Or is it the secret elite cabal working above them? Trump for one doesn't bear the thought of losing the presidency, and the pandemic killed his reelection chances, why isn't he raving about this secret plan to control/kill the world? Probably even he thinks that theory is too nutjobsy.

[_prototype_]

You're missing the point. Its not the virus, or about "poisoning us", its the precedent that is being set by the government essentially forcing a new substance injected into the masses.

Any sane person would conceit that a medical decision is to be made by doctors and their patients, not mandated by the government, as every single case and patient is different.

The fact that the government is mandating this (after Biden explicitly said he wouldn't put a mandate in place the way)is extremely dangerous. If they can do this successfully, only time will tell what they'll try next.

[bellyfullofbac]

Even Texas has vaccination mandates for children (PDF): https://dshs.state.tx.us/immunize/school/pdf/6-14-2021-2022-... so "medical decision between doctor and patient" is horseshit. Or to be more polite, irrelevant, because that decision is still there, i.e. a doctor can give you an exemption after determining you're unable to have the vaccine.

And the only difference between what I wrote and what you're painting is the timeline. Your comment means to me: maybe the government means no harm with their mandate, but what if they get away with it and exploit this compliance in the future? So my argument from the grandparent comment applies: what will their goal be in this scary future? If it's a dubious reason, I'll be there to fight it. But I guess you have a head start there, against this "evil Biden regime" that wants a compliant population to control!

[_prototype_]

You're comparing a school requirement for children, with extensively studied and venerable vaccines (which are not RNA based) to a government mandate on all federal workers, and soon to include the private sector as well (ie get it or get fired)? Seriously?

I can home school my child, but cutting off peoples livelihood is not the same.

If you cannot see that, then there is no reasoning with you.

You seem to be upset (ie cursing etc), you should perhaps consider that your anger is clouding your judgement.

[bellyfullofbac]

Since this is Hacker News, here's the founder of PowerDNS on reverse engineering the mRNA vaccines: https://berthub.eu/articles/posts/reverse-engineering-source... . You'll find what it all does and why it should be safe, and then my guess is you'll dismiss it because you know that you know better.

Not having a vaccine mandate for children is dangerous because making it optional mean many can be infected, be sick and die. The same logic seems to be being applied to society in general. "No vaccine = not welcome in school" is now "no vaccine = not welcome to parcitipate in large parts of society". Sure it's brutal, but hah there's a brutal pandemic going on.

And your judgement seems to be clouded by your preconception that the government is bad and is out to harm you and many others. A few weeks ago I asked myself "Why do I even put emotional energy into trying to convince people (random strangers on the Internet) who I shouldn't give a shit about if they want to be stupid and ignorant?", but yeah, here I am back at being upset at not being able to get through thickheaded people. I went through your comment history and you have plenty of dead comments due to your bigotry, so I wonder whose head is screwed on correctly. But well, idiots never know they're idiots, right, and that applies to me too.

[knownjorbist]

mRNA as a vaccination route has been studied for quite a while. It's considerably less invasive than other conventional vaccines.

[knownjorbist]

You're going to need to provide a source for this.

[_prototype_]

Source: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/03/world/israel-covid-booste...

[knownjorbist]

The claim:

> They are on their third required booster shot.

The source you provided:

> To be considered fully vaccinated in Israel people must meet one of the following criteria: be 12 or older and have received a booster shot at least a week ago; be within six months of having received a second vaccination shot; or be within six months of having tested positive for Covid-19.

You are not a serious person.

[gavinhoward]

> if everyone gets a shot then the restrictions can go away.

That's really hard to believe after "15 days to slow the spread" turned into unprecedented vaccine mandates. And yes, they are unprecedented because needing a vaccine to work basically anywhere is unprecedented, especially for vaccines that are less tested than those that usually get mandated.

In other words, we have been lied to enough about when restrictions would end that I don't think they will end.

[nautilius]

Every school has been requiring vaccines for decades. Hardly unprecedented.