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by nvahalik 1717 days ago
As someone who raised cows and now routinely buys beef directly from the rancher—care to explain this? Unless you are trying to say that ag-use land tax credits are subsidization?

Edit: OK, I saw the article you linked. I guess in more rural areas this is something we never saw: I've known people who are smaller produces of beef/pork and never saw a dime of this money yet I pay less per pound than most people do in the store.

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Its a cost of corruption but its marketed as a commodity industry wide cost of production.

So enormous herds of cattle in the desert in CA owned by extremely politically connected ranchers will get enormous subsidies resulting in all this "Big Macs should cost $45" stuff.

Meanwhile I live in a civilized area that gets near five feet of rain per year. The cows reproduce and eat infinite free grass and water. Essentially all I pay my organic farmer buddy for is his labor, everything else is rounding error. His land is geologically unsuitable for factory style farming so there's no opportunity cost. I pay less than $3/lb live weight and some pittance to his buddy the butcher to process and freeze my half cow every year or two. Short of massive government intervention its hard to imagine how he'd go out of business; he's not getting any subsidies to be taken away.

I suspect the future is going to be much less level and much less equal. If you live in an area where infinite free water falls from the sky, even the poor people are going to have a high-ish standard of living. If you live in a desert... maybe not so comfortable of a life anymore... Note this also applies to plants, not just meats.

Can't be sure where you are, but in the Netherlands there were limits on amount of manure (which has various soil and air pollution effects) that were surpassed by dairy farmers, resulting in EU penalties, resulting in NL having to find a way to lower overall pollution... resulting in temporary stoppage of all new building construction and permanent reduction of max speed limits from 6-19h (from 120 to 100 max).

So the people have ultimately given up some things, ergo subsidising the farmers.