[baumy]

If the choice is between 3.5 million dead, and the rise of authoritarianism and censorship, then yes the former is much less tragic than the latter and therefore the more acceptable option. And that's before taking into account that the survival rate is quite a bit higher than 99%, so it won't be 3.5 million dead. And also before taking into account that the vast majority of the dead will be the very old, and people who took extraordinarily poor care of their health.

Of course the choice isn't that simple or binary in the real world, but there's elements of that choice at play and I stand by the point I'm making.

[bojan]

What about people who can't get medical care like cancer treatments, because hospitals are full of people unnecessarily ill from COVID?

[whatthesmack]

What about people who can't get medical care like cancer treatments, because hospitals are firing people with natural immunity who don't need (and thus refuse) the vaccine?

[unethical_ban]

Vaccine mandates aren't new. You weren't protesting them 3 years ago, but now you are willing to take the side of 3.5 million members of the community slowly dying so you don't have to get a shot. Your persecution complex is out of control.

The absurdity of peoples' accusations of world-ending authoritarianism and censorship is baffling.

[thowaway976351]

lets mandate a dubiously efficacious product for a problem we created...

[unethical_ban]

You had to use a throwaway to spread your disinformation.

[downandout]

Vaccine mandates aren't new.

No. But mandating a brand new vaccine is new. We don’t know what the long term effects are. Nothing about COVID or the way in which tyrants around the world are using it to seize new powers is normal.

People at the FDA are resigning left and right [1]. Nobody wants their name on this thing.

[1] https://arstechnica.com/science/2021/09/anger-frustration-at...

[unethical_ban]

Two people resigned: One went left, and one went right.

[grillvogel]

which brand new rushed vaccine was being mandated 3 years ago?

[unethical_ban]

How many years, and how many people have to die while going from 99% to 99.9% sure of a vaccine's safety, before you would say it's safe? In your professional opinion as an epidemiologist?

[rad_gruchalski]

You didn’t answer the question.

[KozmoNau7]

You're willing to sacrifice people that you consider "expendable", because you think vaccination and masks are more dangerous than a highly infectious disease with long-lasting detrimental health consequences even for survivors.

Such a severe lack of empathy is disturbing.

> the vast majority of the dead will be the very old, and people who took extraordinarily poor care of their health.

This is incorrect, the Delta variant is hitting young people hard, including children.

https://newsnetwork.mayoclinic.org/discussion/how-covid-19-d...

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/young-people-make-up-...

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/young-unvaccinate...

The ego-driven vaccine denial and lack of respect for distancing and mask requirements is killing people.

[drfxyjhdyfrhgc]

Looking at the CDC data linked from the healthline article, it appears that the delta variant does not hit children hard.

https://gis.cdc.gov/grasp/COVIDNet/COVID19_5.html

[EricE]

Scandinavians countries just suspended Moderna for kids.

But keep ranting how the science is _settled_ and everyone just needs to fall in line. Give me a break.

As for your lame "lack of empathy" argument - the only way for an unvaccinated person to be a risk to anyone else with COVID is if they are symptomaic - i.e. if they have a fever. However, as a vaccinated person not only can you have COVID, you can be shedding (spreading) it without any way of anyone around you knowing unless you have been recently tested.

That's what's beyond crazy - the vaccinated represent a bigger threat for covert spreading than the unvaccinated! An utter 180 from the popular narrative.

So yeah, keep on your high horse about empathy, denial, etc. At this point there is very little science in these discussions - you are espousing dogma and propaganda.

[yonaguska]

The CDC is misrepresenting both the covid risk for children as well as the vaccine risk for children in an effort to justify vaccinating children.

https://www.wired.com/story/the-cdc-owes-parents-better-mess...