[deltasixeight]

> A lot of odd Nix hate in here, or at least extreme dislike.

I hate this expression. I'm a nix user. But if you can't understand why people dislike it... you're the one that's odd and out of touch.

If you want people to adopt nix the worst way to convince them is to call their behavior odd when it isn't.

The reason why adoption of nix is so low is trivial. High initial learning curve and it's so different from everything else that's out there. The only reason why I got over that learning curve is because my company uses it. If it wasn't for my job I would not have have the will power to climb over that learning curve.

Like seriously can you not see that someone is not willing to spend months learning nixos when they can get a pretty much from point A to point B using a turn key solution like ubuntu?

Nix is great. But you need to climb over the initial hump. That is all.

[Ericson2314]

What we dislike is everything talking about the costs, and not the benefits. Fine if it's not for you --- I personally care more about institution and upstream adoption than getting more random end users at this point --- but people passing off these one-sided cost-and-no-consideration-of-benefits analyses as engineering decisions is a bit grating.

To me Nix is hard, but Nix is worth it. I acknowledge these people's pain, now would they acknowledge my pleasure (ideally without writing it off as that of a cult inductee! :)).

[m45t3r]

> What we dislike is everything talking about the costs, and not the benefits.

Exactly. I tried to push really hard our company to use Nix/NixOS (and maybe in our case nix-darwin too, since the majority of engineering uses macOS), but it never went anywhere (I did convert a few of my colleagues to use NixOS though).

But why? Well, onboarding is a pain in my company. We have some Ansible scripts that always break in some innovative ways, so it takes a whole day to setup a new machine for a bunch of engineers. Sure, partly of the fault is the fact that our Ansible scripts are really hacky (in some steps they still call some Bash scripts instead of using Ansible DSL for example), but Ansible is simply lacking in some places to have a really pleasant experience.

If we could use NixOS though, this would be a very different matter. I use NixOS in the same company, had the same configuration for pretty much 1 year, and also survived a broken laptop and setup my whole setup in like 30 minutes (most of time spend downloading packages actually). I even separated part of my NixOS configuration in another repository so other engineers using NixOS can also make use of it.

Yeah, it took a long time to get where I am currently, but nowadays I just stopped worrying about managing system, system update breakages, and anything like this. I can just use my system, fully up-to-date, and I know if something breaks, I can revert. It is beautiful.

[Ericson2314]

Yeah I ended up working at a place that was already using NixOS -- as in developer laptops come with NixOS, and that was definitely a huge plus. Much nicer when the war is already won, and there is no class of macOS or Windows-using devs to appease!

[whateveracct]

> But if you can't understand why people dislike it... you're the one that's odd and out of touch.

Oh I know by now why people dislike it. I've worked for years with it with engineers of all stripes. It's always big heads and bad attitudes and never Nix itself.

And Ubuntu isn't a turnkey solution to what people use Nix for lol.