[wizard-beta]

No. There's a third side pushing for the Scandinavian solution. Pro-vaccine, but anti-mandate.

A little while ago, everyone wanted to be like Norway or Denmark or Sweden -- now they pretend these countries don't exist.

Edit: of course I got shadowbanned from Hacker News for opposing the surveillance state. Curse you.

Edit 2: someone below says "The Scandinavian countries all have vaccine cards, however, and permit people to discriminate based on whether one has those." Private venues setting access rules is incomparable to a surveillance state mandating rules for every person.

"The U.S. won’t jail you if you refuse the vaccine. But you have to stay home. This is functionally identical to the Scandinavian solution, minus public buildings."

I live in Denmark (mods, who are obviously watching me, can verify from my IP) and this is a lie. In Copenhagen today, you can go to stores, malls, museums, anywhere basically without showing a pas. Why don't you shadowban this person for "misinformation" since he is lying?

[pennaMan]

The Scandinavian solution works because of it's highly functional education system. When enough percentage of people have at least a basic comprehension of logic and the scientific method the "surveillance state" as you call it does not need to strong arm common sense in its population.

[peteradio]

Not sure what you think a shadow-ban is but I can see your comments.

[JumpCrisscross]

The Scandinavian countries all have vaccine cards, however, and permit people to discriminate based on whether one has those.

The U.S. won’t jail you if you refuse the vaccine. But you have to stay home. This is functionally identical to the Scandinavian solution, minus public buildings and minus a federal vaccine certificate.

[adolph]

Are you saying US and Scandinavia are the same but different? The US won’t jail you unless you disobey?

[JumpCrisscross]

> US won’t jail you unless you disobey?

They’re the same as in nobody is forced to get the vaccine. Nobody will be threatened with state violence for not getting the shot. They’re just barred from a lot of facilities for the choice they made. We do similarly for children whose parents refuse to give them measles shots.

Enforcement, naturally, varies. In Manhattan, I’m constantly asked for card and ID. In Long Island, it never happened.

[adolph]

So you are walking down the street and the cops say “papers please” and you whip them out with the pride of someone protecting the homeland, because you have permission to walk around?