[ergot_vacation]

It's really amazing how far Firefox has fallen. This used to be a browser people bought TSHIRTS for. TSHIRTS! And wore them! And not just in SV: I'd see them in the wild in small cities too.

The discussion is always the same, I'm not sure what can be added at this point. Yes the way they're actively destroying it is mystifying, yes, maybe money issues are part of that but god can't you just make your own browser? Mozilla's problem, more than any specific incident like this, is that they've become completely incapable of thinking for themselves. Everything is a follower move, trying to find something popular and than emulating it.

I'll continue to use FF, but only because it's easier to massively "tweak" into a usable product than chrome.

[prepend]

They fired Eich and turned from a company of smart engineers and users of their product to randos who work on weird projects using their big paycheck from Google.

Their products suck because they don’t care about them. They don’t genuinely want to compete with or anger Google for fear of losing funding.

They’d be better off cutting down to a lean $5/year spend and just making a browser.

I think.

[tdeck]

A lot of their lack of focus predated Brendan Eich's 11 day CEO tenure. By 2014 Firefox had already lost a ton of mindshare and Mozilla was working on their unsuccessful Firefox Phone.

[jordanthoms]

In retrospect it seems firefox phone was actually a good idea, it’s been reborn as KaiOS and doing great. Pretty embarrassing for Mozilla to fail and cancel the project and then have another company take it and succeed…

[drannex]

Eichs short lived reign was a symptom, not a cause. The decision to put him there was certainly a decision made by an executive board that is out of touch.

[Lammy]

(HANGS UP JAVASCRIPT PHONE) https://www.bonequest.com/5546

[20after4]

I owned several of those shirts and wore them proudly.