[silisili]

Yeah. My county puts out hospital numbers about weekly. I haven't checked recently but a couple weeks ago, of current hospitalizations from covid, 203 were unvaccinated, and 14 fully vaccinated. And this is in a county where > 50% of the people are vaccinated.

How anyone can look at those numbers and be against vaccines or question their effectiveness is...mindboggling to me.

[covidta_no999]

anecdotes work both ways. Consider Israel:

Of 514 patients in Israel hospitalized with COVID-19 as of Aug. 15, 59 percent were fully vaccinated, according to an Aug. 16 article from Science that cited national data tracked by Israel's largest health management organization

this is in a country that had < 60% vaccinated at the time.

personally I think the vaccines are worthwhile for some people, but I wouldn't call them an unqualified success either. Most people are going to uncritically quote the factoids that they like and do mental gymnastics around the factoids they don't like.

I think that what has your mind boggled is mostly your bias (respectfully). I'm not even saying you're wrong fwiw.

[mullen]

I can't believe we are this far into the COVID pandemic with vaccines available and people are still trying to play gymnastics with the data.

The data shows that all groups of people at any age who are fully vaccinated are substantially less like to get COVID or end up in the hospital or end up dying from COVID. Not by a little bit but a lot. You can point to one day in Israel to make your point and I point to the entire US for the last 6 months that backs up what I am saying.

The Israeli data you cited is also is leaving a lot of other information out. How many of those patients were young or old and which were most likely to be fully vaccinated? It turns out that most of the fully vaccinated patients were over 60 with comorbidities and the unvaccinated people in the hospital were young people. Also, we know that the COVID vaccines would lose effectiveness over time and the patients in the hospital who are fully vaccinated would be the first group of people who would get a booster shot. I am also going to go out on a limb and say that if you end up in the hospital with COVID and you are fully vaccinated, I am pretty sure COVID would have killed you if you weren't vaccinated.

Everyone who is cleared to get vaccinated should get vaccinated.

[txsoftwaredev]

Are the hospitalizations actually from covid? Or did they show up to the hospital for a separate reason and happened to have positive covid test as well?

[anoonmoose]

A 203:14 ratio when the country is over 50% vaccinated would be more bizarre, not less, if it was "all hospitalizations" and not "all COVID vaccinations"

you'd need to come up with a good reason why unvaccinated people were about 10x (or more) likely to be hospitalized than vaccinated people

[silisili]

I imagine, but cannot confirm, the latter. It's titled COVID-19 Hospitalizations for the week of xxx.

In any case, when more than half your population is vaccinated, especially the older aged folks, at that point it doesn't make a remarkable difference what it's from as the correlation is still clear.

[DeRock]

Are you purporting that Covid numbers are overinflated only for non-vaccinated individuals, but not for vaccinated? Because otherwise it still doesn’t explain the discrepancy in hospitalization.

[neuronexmachina]

I assume that both vaccinated and unvaccinated people who were hospitalized were tested for COVID-19. I wouldn't be surprised if the bulk of the vaccinated+positive were in this category.