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by nerdponx 1723 days ago
Have you looked into Julia, Nim, Clojure, or even Common Lisp? I'm not sure bout Python interop with CL, but Nim and Clojure seems to have some kind of beta-grade interop, and there's a solid interop story in Julia. And all of those languages have some of their own "native" data analysis and scientific computing toolkits (Julia having more than "some", of course).

That said, complicated Python systems can be improved a lot by adding type annotations. That's more of a solution for web servers and other "easily type-able" applications. Typing support for scientific computing isn't quite there yet. So it depends on what kinds of systems are the complicated ones.
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short_sells_poo 1723 days ago
Thank you, we've dabbled with Julia and indeed it works very well. We are just a bit worried about betting the barn on it so to speak. It's still very niche and we are just not seeing the kind of meteoric rise that Rust is exhibiting for example. we would ideally not want to become the sole caretaker of some niche language. Jane Street can afford it with Ocaml, but we can't :(

For that reason, Julia is being closely watched, but so far we are not thinking of pulling the trigger.

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lgessler 1723 days ago
Link to the interop lib for Clojure you're referring to for people who don't know it: https://github.com/clj-python/libpython-clj

Really a remarkable feat of engineering. Here's its author giving a talk: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQPW16_jixs

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adenozine 1723 days ago
I was thinking of linking this as well. Clj-python is just such a fascinating junction. I don't care so much for clojure, though I'm continuously impressed by the ecosystem and the productivity of it's experts. Very cool stuff.

Core.logic and the like opened a huge door and similar ideas have exhausted my free time for several years now.

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dunefox 1723 days ago
Julias interop with Python is excellent: https://github.com/JuliaPy/PyCall.jl (also with R, see RCall.jl). It's just not statically typed, so the original problem is not solved - albeit Julia being the better language for scientific purposes.

CL could also be great language-wise (https://digikar99.github.io/py4cl2/, https://github.com/snmsts/burgled-batteries3) but I don't know how good the interop is in reality since I haven't tried it.

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