[victorhooi]

This really does frustrate me - that racism is usually seen in the spectrum of the "whites vs blacks" narrative - but Asian-Americans are usually disregarded, or it's not "real" racism.

Sure, they don't have the same pay disparity as blacks (although there is still inequality within the cohort itself) - however, that's largely been a result of higher educational attainment, and the work ethic of Asians - and ignores the barriers they've had to overcome to get to that level.

However, there is still a level of casual racism - and even in the last year, a lot of anti-Asian assaults across America.

Also, this is an anecdote, in many places I've worked at, it's very common that management and above are mostly white males, but all the Asians are non-management. I've wondered how much of that is due to some cultural issue, versus how much is due to some bias in the system.

[bradleyjg]

If whites have higher pay it’s because of discrimination but if Asians have higher pay it’s overcoming discrimination.

Is your model of the world falsifiable?

[mrkstu]

Microsoft, Google/Alphabet, Adobe, Zoom, NetApp- a who's who of Silicon Valley. There is zero evidence of American companies ignoring talented Asian executives- the shareholder could care less as long as the stock progresses.

[908B64B197]

It's interesting to see the achievement gap despite policies at top institutions that are increasingly trying to get rid of objective measurement, and instead focus on "holistic" approach.

Lowell HS, here in SF, is a prime example [0], but also the lawsuits brought against Ivy League institutions [1] [2] [3]

[0] https://www.sfgate.com/education/article/San-Francisco-Lowel...

[1] https://spectator.org/asian-discrimination-sat-requirements/

[2] https://www.cnbc.com/2020/08/13/yale-illegally-discriminates...

[3] https://www.cnn.com/2015/04/07/living/feat-mindy-kaling-brot...

[iammisc]

Well of course, the anti-racists quite literally believe that 'whiteness' is the gold standard by which every other race, including the asians, who have far surpassed the whites, ought to be held, because deep down inside they believe whites are the ideal.

You see it everywhere. For example, the race chart here lists whites first. For other charts where category has no particular ordering (for example, technical competence), the bars were ordered by current salary. It's not even by relative share of the population, because there are more hispanics than blacks I believe.

Also, I wonder how the presence of 'other' throws off the numbers, because I bet many blacks are used to putting in 'other'. I know as a minority myself, I often check 'other' on these forms. It's no one's business and will only serve to hurt you.

[gremIin]

Can you expand on what you mean when you say Asians have far surpassed the whites? Are you strictly referring to salary, or other things like power and beauty standards?

Last time I checked, white people in the US weren't aspiring to attain Asian beauty standards.

[iammisc]

> Last time I checked, white people in the US weren't aspiring to attain Asian beauty standards.

Really?

Androgenous / gender non-conforming dress originated in KPop/anime/manga. Same with the slim aesthetic for men.

E-girls/boys are all the rage these days. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E-girls_and_e-boys

Asians are quietly, but strongly breaking in to the charisma of the upper class. See the popularity of the movie Crazy Rich Asians.

In terms of power, it's debatable, but China seems like a more powerful nation than the United States every day that passes.

[gremIin]

No, androgynous dress did not originate in KPop Asia. That is an incredibly shallow and probably wrong take. Look at Little Richard or any other androgynous star from the 50s and 60s. It was a thing long before that too.

[endisneigh]

> and the work ethic of Asians - and ignores the barriers they've had to overcome to get to that level.

Could you elaborate?