[sentinel]

How did the EU become such a bunch of luddites? Or does it only seem that way from outside?

I get that there are legit concerns about face recognition (as there are benefits), but the concerns _could_ be regulated. Granted, regulation is a much more work intensive process – you have to sit down with a large number of people, get educated on the subject etc. Is it laziness?

Or is this a negotiation tactic? Start asking for a permanent ban, and work your way back to regulation?

[rightbyte]

It is just a matter of time before stores and what not will track you via CCTV and spam you ads and adjust your credit rating depending on some opaque metrics. I rather have a ban on it before it happens.

[sentinel]

This is already happening without facial recognition.

[simion314]

But this can be disrupted, here it is a startup idea but probably Google and Amazon are already working on it

1 offer all shops free surveillance hardware, you will offer them notifications when a suspect enters the shop. You need some PR stuff with big numbers where you claim on how many of your partners/clients are marking suspects that commited theft and how many billions are saved with this AI tech.

2 collect all the videos, do face recognition and connect the people n the image with real identities , infer more personal data from the person facial expression, posture, clothing, stuff they look at

3 profit!

4 collaborate with NSA and FBI to make sure the government will not have an easy job shutting you down.

bonus , you can extend to clubs, schools,parks, bars. You can rent the hardware for private owners with a discount if they mount at least one camera pointed at the street.

[sentinel]

I doubt that this would happen.

[simion314]

Why do you think so? Because of bad Pr Google and Amazon will not do it ? but will some other company do it ?

It could be done with "google glasses" like devices too, why do you think it will not happen? Because of existing laws or because there is no money for a big corporation to extract?

[sentinel]

Yea I think: - Google and Amazon etc won’t touch it cause it is bad PR - stores won’t buy it cause it’s bad PR; fear of boycotting etc. - physical retail is already on the decline; why spend money in a dying industry - the whole project would have one big flaw - people wearing masks

[simion314]

So if the masks will be here forever then this guys complaining they can't use face recognition anymore in public places do not know this or they are betting that masks will be gone soon.

[rightbyte]

By the customer club card/membership? Ye but you don't have to have those.

I don't think banks or Mastercard et al. are allowed to sell customer data in the EU?

[kspacewalk2]

This is a first step toward regulation. No PRC-style indiscriminate/"predictive" profiling, as a first step. Now let's come up with a way to use this tool to catch actual criminals when investigating actual specific crimes, with judicial oversight that protects our civil liberties without making the tool useless (by creating onerous obstacles to its use, or delaying it unacceptably).

[rsynnott]

It's a terrible headline, but this is regulation, not a ban. This would ban most police use, and would ban private mass surveillance, but would not ban, say, FaceID.