[red_trumpet]

I mostly agree with your comment, having deleted WhatsApp myself this spring. However I have a problem with that.

> many people I know joining Signal or Telegram — the network effect can be broken by being belligerent

Did you not use the same network effect to get people to join Signal/Telegram? While I agree that Signal is morally better (being a non-profit and all), it is still a closed garden, which makes such network effects possible. And this in itself is a moral issue, I think. Personally I would like to use a system like, where everyone can choose his own server. But nobody in my social circle uses it, so I'm stuck with walled gardens...

[jakecopp]

Get them onto Element, it's brilliant! [1]. Matrix is an aggressively open garden - it even bridges to other social networks [2].

[1]: https://element.io/

[2]: https://matrix.org/bridges/

[arnoooooo]

I would not call Element brilliant. I have had a hard time getting others to adopt it. Fluffychat (Matrix client as well) is more user-friendly.

[shadowfaxRodeo]

My issue is with Facebook, not with the network effect itself. Happy to use the network effect to get people off Facebook.

[asdff]

IRC never went anywhere, you aren't stuck.