>the leak was intended to “foster more disruption and competition in the online video streaming space” because “their community is a disgusting toxic cesspool”.
Mmm... well, if you're received what you consider to be toxic interactions on twitter, reddit and even here, but not on 4chan, have you considered that the common factor is perhaps not that all of these platforms are toxic...
...but that your views are considered problematic by quite a lot of people?
Perhaps that could be some cause for self reflection before you universally declare the entire platform here hostile and toxic.
> your views are considered problematic by quite a lot of people
What I consider problematic is the fact these people will organize massive efforts on Twitter to ruin other people's lives because they posted wrongthink. They make the 4chan raids I've seen look amateurish.
Indeed. There is some downright grotesque "malice" in Twitter cancel-culture efforts. It's really strange they are not self-aware and call 4chan (~last bastion of free speech) toxic.
Yeah, 4chan is toxic and savage, but at least they are honest and humane in a candid kind of way.
Yeah. 4chan is supposed to represent people's unfiltered thoughts, what people really think when freed from social consequences. This produces a wider spectrum than what most people are used to seeing, both good and bad.
While 4chan posters occasionally get organized and manage to operate outside their borders, these incredibly malicious activities just aren't something I associate with them. They're the specialty of groups like kiwi farms who are responsible for the suicide of at least one video game console emulator developer. I was shocked when people told me about byuu's suicide here on HN.
People on 4chan will call you slurs and insults but it is never personal, part of it is due to the anonymous nature. People here will be personally vicious and hostile.
> ...but that your views are considered problematic by quite a lot of people?
You do not know what my views are. It's as if you are trying to prove me right honestly. (btw, I am not posting on reddit nor on twitter, nor 4chan for that matter)
Plus the same could be said for the toxic interactions that you had on there.
> Perhaps that could be some cause for self reflection before you universally declare the entire platform here hostile and toxic.
Again, same thing for you. "Perhaps that could be some cause for self reflection before you universally declare the entire platform there hostile and toxic."
There's a difference between vicious mockery of a company and its founders on a single website, and having randos holding knives knocking on people's windows.
This is patently ridiculous. The biggest boards on 4chan, particularly /pol/ have widespread support for the genocide of Jews, black people, Muslims and women. Well maybe not all women, a more common view is instead that they should be enslaved to men. This kind of correction should give an idea of what kind of ideas are popular there.
Of course 4chan is not just /pol/ but it is the biggest board, and together with /b/ contribute to plenty of hateful content as I mentioned. The culture between boards is different but /pol/ refugees in particular have been spreading to other boards for several years now and it's very annoying because even if a small group of them decide to visit a board regularly then they can ruin the culture because of relative sizes between the boards. Reddit and Twitter have their own problems, particularly with echo chambers but the biggest subreddit on reddit isn't spewing anywhere near the same kind of shit as the biggest board on 4chan does.
Go to any board, /lit/, /g/, /fa/ (maybe less so), will all have a thread or two that you will be able to tell are directly influenced by /pol/ posters. Some boards call them out, most don't.
maybe on streamers with less than 50 viewers. every twitch stream i've seen the chat is easily 100x more toxic than any HN thread. ridiculous comparison
Real question - why does it matter to you? If that's how people want to spend their time and money, and it makes them feel good, even if they look foolish, what does it matter to you?
I'm really bad at woodworking, but I do it a lot, and I've spent a crap load of money on it. Does that matter at all to anyone else in the world?
Our societies do regulate how people can spend their time and money in certain regards. I don't think that's necessarily wrong. Smoking is banned, some countries have labeling for unhealthy products, and so on. Things can end up affecting other people in the long run, so I don't think it's unreasonable to contemplate addressing stuff like this.
I think the main issues overall are encouraging parasocial relationships, and also the problem of selling sex to kids. I'm no prude but I think it raises some ethical questions when you have gaming content and sexual content in the same spot. If I had kids, that would matter to me.