[Wowfunhappy]

> Mostly on the Mac.

iOS 11 and 13 were both pretty crappy, not to mention weird misses like the Podcasts app. I can't see those releasing when Steve Jobs was at the helm, unless the situation was desperate. (An example of a desperate situation would be when you’re current products run Mac OS 9).

[dwaite]

Counterexamples: iBooks and the iMovie rewrite that they just shipped with nowhere near feature parity.

[Wowfunhappy]

iBooks wasn’t replacing a previous offering, and I don’t think it was abjectly terrible, just limited.

iMovie is a better example but I still think it was a decent update for the software’s target audience. And they offered everyone the older version for free! An even better example might be Final Cut X, which I actually think was a great product but for a very different audience for FCX.

The through-line is that these products were good products-they did something well and without bugs—but they weren’t targeted correctly, ignoring the needs of an existing customer base with (completely reasonable) expectations. That’s different in kind from something like iOS 13.