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by ajsnigrutin 1717 days ago
> Impossible, all USB-C QC chargers are also USB PD chargers.

You have a lot of USB-A QC chargers, and you just take a usb A -> C cable. [0]

> The port is either marked (everything but MacBooks) or doesn't matter (MacBooks, pretty sweet).

https://p3-ofp.static.pub/fes/cms/2021/07/01/5q6w49cnwh2ka55...

So... do I tell my grandma to plug it into the "weird robot"-symbol port (5), or the "danger, high voltage" one (6)? It fits into both.

> No, not at all. 20 to 10 years ago all charging ports (including on cameras, phones, everything) were barrel plugs of slightly different diameter; everybody's cranking out their own boxy black chargers putting out maddening variations on the same ~20V for laptops and 3-5V for smaller devices, you can't share chargers between devices, can't always find the replacement, especially if the device is on the older side. Buying a device with a different connector - bam, old charger goes to e-waste (or e-bay).

This is not really true... Some laptops maybe... Lenovo had a square one ( https://www.amazon.com/Converter-Charger-Adapter-ThinkPad-Un... ) for example. Phones had all the custom ones...

ericsson examples:

https://www.amazon.com/Charger-Cable-Ericsson-C510i-C702i/dp...

https://www.navigation-accessoires.com/en/sony-ericsson/p-se...

Either way, you brought one device + one cable, and you know where to plug it.

Yes, from an average tech nerd perspective, this might be better, because people know and remember what to use where, which protocol their devices use, and which port they have to plug it in. Normal users don't.. and if it fits, they use it like that. If they buy a custom charger for their laptop, they won't use it to charge their phone, because they know their phone charger won't charge their laptop, even though everything fits.

I'm not saying it's all bad, but dealing with several older relatives, and stuff that fits and doesn't work is making it a pain in the ass, especially with stores selling stuff (eg ikeas https://www.ikea.com/us/en/p/askstorm-40w-usb-charger-dark-g... ) that works but doesn't charge if under heavy use.

[0] https://www.amazon.com/Charge-Charger-Portable-Adapter-Folda...

2 comments

> This is not really true... Some laptops maybe... Lenovo had a square one

The exact shape of the port is clearly not the point of their statement. It is that you had specific, one use, variations of chargers that only worked for one laptop and were trashed when you got something new and were very difficult to get a replacement or additional charger for. Whether they were barrel or square isn’t the point.

> If they buy a custom charger for their laptop, they won't use it to charge their phone, because they know their phone charger won't charge their laptop, even though everything fits.

But most people handled it fine if they had a tablet, phone, and a few other random devices with micro USB. For the average person, moving to the semi standard micro USB was a net win, even though some people would try trickle charging their phones with old, low power usb chargers. Just because grandma can’t figure out what she is doing, doesn’t mean the actual average user won’t quickly figure out that their USB-C charger will work for anything less what the charger was rated for. Your laptop charger will charge your tablet, phone, and extras like headphones. Your tablet charger will charge your phone and headphones, etc. that is a good enough solution for most people, and simple enough most people will be fine. Knowing you can travel with 4-5 USB-C devices and only bring your laptop charger to charge everything is much better.

>You have a lot of USB-A QC chargers, and you just take a usb A -> C cable

Why would you assume it would work? Just because the connectors fit together? Both my computer monitor and my TV have two HDMI input ports. Should I fault the HDMI protocol (and any connector standard where server and client sides are physically identical) that I can't daisy-chain them?

My grandma has a microUSB Android tablet and a microUSB feature phone. I set up for her a dual USB-A charger and two identical microUSB cables that are always plugged in, so she can use either one or both. I don't quite see the problem with the USB-C setup either: get several high-powered chargers for her so that she can use whichever one.

But I get it. The times really did have changed; one piece of information - the wattage of the charger - that was hidden from the consumer is now reified: all chargers fit, but only some of them are powerful enough. Fortunately, it's mostly a question of comparing integer numbers: my phone's 25W, and the charger is 30W - it fits! My laptop is 45W though, bummer. I should get a >=45W charger for it.

But for that nuisance we traded away the obnoxious burden of distinguishing between Pump Express and QuickCharge and Adaptive Fast Charge and Adaptive Super Fast Charge, between Lenovo thick or thin barrel plugs or yellow rectangle plug, between multiple generations of Apple laptop plugs, of insane proprietary connectors like Nikon's UC-E6, of having to power hubs externally (thank god for 15W minimum), of the anticonsumer pricing of the vendors' proprietary tech, and (fingers crossed) of the ridiculous mix and match approach Apple has to its iPhone and iPad lines.

It seems to be a good deal.

By the way, I fondly remember a Sony Ericsson K510i I had in high school :) That toothy connector was finicky as hell (something I'm reminded of by lower quality USB-C hubs).