[spectramax]

Lot of discussion around here is knee jerk and not nuanced. Criminal law is complex and there are areas where it should be reformed and other areas where we need better enforcement.

We've seen the criminal justice reform as they have instituted in San Francisco city: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27216343

[crawfordcomeaux]

Punishment has been shown to be ineffective and ignorant of ancestral/intergenerational trauma being passed epigenetically. This is a way we're societally creating trauma and poisoning our gene pool. It's literally suicidal, from a long-term perspective.

[rsj_hn]

You understand that you are literally pushing a form of Lysenkoism, right? There is no such thing as trauma being passed down epigenetically.

[colinb]

I think that this is less clear-cut than you might expect. [0] talks about "Dutch Hunger Winter Syndrome" as a heavily studied counterexample.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgenerational_epigenetic_i...

[josephcsible]

> ancestral/intergenerational trauma being passed epigenetically

Can you cite any sources for this?

[crawfordcomeaux]

https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fpsyt.2019.0080...

This was the first thing that came up when I searched google for "epigenetic markers of trauma." It highlights childhood trauma. I'll go ahead and note that one aspect of incarceration culture is numerous children losing the presence of a caregiver. This is for sure a traumatic experience for many and a singular way the government is suicidal.

[vlovich123]

That’s an interesting conclusion to draw. Aren’t the SF DA and SF police in active conflict, with police refusing to respond to lots of issues in protest of the reforms and change in priorities of the DA’s office that they disagree with?

[rsj_hn]

> Aren’t the SF DA and SF police in active conflict, with police refusing to respond to lots of issues in protest of the reforms and change in priorities of the DA’s office that they disagree with?

No. The DA has made it clear that he will not prosecute these cases, period. Trying to change the subject to "well, don't the police disagree with the no-prosecute policy? And due to this disagreement are they not creating the crimes?" is not a logical response to the situation.

The crimes are increasing because the perps know they wont get prosecuted. How the police feel about it is not a factor.

[vlovich123]

The DA has said they won’t prosecute quality of life crimes. The police are choosing to not respond to smaller scale crime. This is a PR battle between the police Union and the DA.

[rsj_hn]

Yes, the DA did say that. But that is not the only thing he said. He also said he would not prosecute property crimes, because they were due to "poverty".

When 84 year old Vicha Ratanapakdeen was killed by Antoine Watson, who was sitting in his BMW when he noticed Vicha, ran up behind him and assaulted him, and then ran back to his car. After he got back to his car, he saw Vicha wasn't moving, so he ran over to the body and did a touchdown dance over it and took a selfie of himself in front of the body with his cellphone. Boudin said this was "a temper tantrum" and shouldn't be prosecuted as a hate crime. Vicha's girlfriend, who was sitting in passenger seat the whole time, was not charged with anything at all, even though she was arrested as an accessory after the fact.

He also released a car thief named Troy McAlister who had 73 felonies and 32 misdemeanors just in San Francisco, and when later McAllister stole another car, ran a red light, and killed two people, he refused to add any vehicular manslaughter charges to the indictment, charging Troy only with unlawful driving and other lesser charges.

His office also tried only 23 cases during his tenure. During the same period, the police referred over 6000 cases to his office.

His office also has a 40% dismissal rate even for those charges that have been brought to him.

When Jerry Lyons was arrested for stealing a car -- I guess that's just a "quality of life" crime -- Boudin refused to prosecute. Six months later, Lyons stole another car, caused an 8 car pileup, and ran into Sheria Musyoka, killing her.

When Tyjone Flournoy was arrested for murdering Ronisha Cook, Boudin also refused to prosecute, saying he needed "more information". A few months later Tyjone murdered another man, trying to steal his camera.

When Teaunte Bailey was arrested for child endagerment, robbery, and destroying evidence, Boudin also said "there wasn't enough evidence" and released him. A month later, Bailey murdered 75 year old Pak Ho.

When Ali Mustafa Hudson was arrested for robbery, Boudin instead of charging him actually had him transported to a different county where he was wanted on a lesser crime that would not require holding him in detention. Hudson then murdered his mother in Sacramento and wounded a deputy in a police in a shootout.

After 22 year old King John Baylon kidnapped 13 year old Sienna Carter and was arrested for kidnapping, possession of child pornography, and human trafficking, Boudin released him with zero bond. Babylon is now sitting in Jail in LA on a charge of causing great bodily injury.

When Zion Young was arrested with 11 firearm felonies, Boudin reduced that to a misdemeanor and released him. Three months later Young murdered Kelvin Chew as he was walking in the park.

He also pled down Stephanie Ching and her Douglas Lomas that had the dismembered remains of Ching's father in their refrigerator. They fled to China but were extradicted back to the US. Boudin pled Douglas to only six years in prison and the wife pled only to desecrating human remains and was released on parole.

And yet you keep talking about how terrible it is that the police don't like him -- as if this was about P.R. and not the trail of bodies that Boudin has left behind. As if him saying one irrelevant thing somehow excuses all his terrible policies.