[CyberRage]

Wrong. Tesla has custom designs from form factor to chemistry.

Panasonic was crucial at the begining with their own designed\made 18650. their role is shrinking fast

Tesla's expertise when it comes to batteries is unmatched in the auto-motive industry, no doubt about that.

Tesla is not using Panasonic at all for their new batteries.

[jeffbee]

Get a grip, Tesla fan. Your shares are doing fine without the reality distortion. People who buy cells from Panasonic directly are getting the exact same chemistry and form factor with which Telsa cars are equipped. Quoting from Tesla's own 10-Q filing, emphasis added.

"""Under our arrangement with Panasonic, we plan to purchase the full output from their production equipment at negotiated prices … Currently, we rely on suppliers such as Panasonic for these cells."""

Seriously, there is no shame in it. They are good batteries! They are made by Panasonic using Panasonic chemistry on Panasonic equipment, though.

[CyberRage]

You don't have to believe me but I don't own a tesla nor do I own Tesla stocks.

Tesla do have their own custom chemistry and doping, it is written all over the internet you're willing to read that.

TEsla has several patents and their own research group: https://www.scribd.com/document/440951044/Tesla-battery-pate...

https://www.scribd.com/document/424878572/J-Electrochem-Soc-...

just to name a few. to me you seem like a Tesla skeptic, unwilling to acknowledge their success

[jeffbee]

The patent and the chemistry you are trying to link to — by the way, Scribd is a scam, here is a link to the PDF[1] — is university research funded in part by Tesla.

1: https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1149/2.0341813jes/pdf

Undoubtedly good chemistry research but doesn't have anything to do with the batteries that are actually in cars you can actually buy.

[CyberRage]

You're still trying to defend your position... sad.

Claiming Tesla is the same as VW which basically buys batteries and shoves them into existing chassis\frames, is a joke.

Tesla produces most of the worlds batteries:

https://www.mining.com/muskmobiles-running-rivals-off-the-ro...

In their own factories, which automaker has this level of integration?

Tesla has the best battery longevity metrics according to thousands of tested cars: https://electrek.co/2018/04/14/tesla-battery-degradation-dat...

Tesla is the only company with vast\robust charging network: https://hbr.org/2021/01/how-teslas-charging-stations-left-ot...

Tesla is the only company seriously investing in their own battery facilities. boots on the ground, working facilities.

Now tell me how Tesla is just like any other player in the EV space again?