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by judge2020 1715 days ago
> They're all in different manufacturing maturity place

That's true, but the electric car race began with the Model 3 and is going to continue to outpace Rivian 50x next year if the volume expectation are correct [on both sides]. Rivian coming out with these cars is unlikely to capture much of the market anyways, given they're both over $65k. It's like Rivian's 10 years behind Tesla in maturity (besides their range figures), and their only saving grace might be the Amazon electric delivery vehicle contract.
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CyberRage 1715 days ago
Established players can't produce these numbers for their own EV's so you believe a startup will?

Do people remember how much shit Tesla went through?

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judge2020 1715 days ago
I think Rivian will take the startup approach and pack as much density into their battery, even if it means sacrificing a large chunk of their margin. The r1t is supposed to have a weight of 8500 pounds[0], so I can see a 150-200kwh battery being packed in there on the Max pack to achieve that range.

0: https://insideevs.com/news/536753/rivian-r1t-gvwr-heavy-duty...

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NathanielK 1715 days ago
That's the gross vehicle weight rating, which is the max weight of the vehicle including cargo. The R1T has a curb weight of ~7,000lbs[0] with the 135kWh battery. That is still as much as a Dually F-350. The 180kWh option would be heavier still and start eating into the payload capacity.

[0]https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1133704_review-rivian-r...

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CyberRage 1715 days ago
200kwh? that's a disaster then.

200Kwh * 40K = 8Gwh?!

that's unrealistic, battery production is the single most limiting factor for all EV's.

big batteries = low volumes

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judge2020 1715 days ago
Yes, it's probably necessary if they wanna get near-400 miles on extended range. Even the F150E with extended range only has a 300 mile EPA with estimates of 170kwh[0], and the r1t doesn't look to be insanely more aerodynamic. It's indeed going to be a disaster, but Amazon wants a foot in the door regardless of how much it costs.

0: https://insideevs.com/news/508674/battery-capacity-ford-f150...

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