[adrianN]

Well, some meat production is obviously a sustainable part of agriculture. There will always be some areas where the soil is too poor for anything but grazing and you'll always have some waste that you can feed to chicken, pigs, and ruminants. But these sustainable levels of animal husbandry are so far removed from the industrialized meat production that we're currently doing that they might as well be zero. Recall that just a generation or two ago meat was something you ate once a week if you lived in a fairly developed country. Today Americans eat more than a 100kg of meat per year.

[allturtles]

> Recall that just a generation or two ago meat was something you ate once a week if you lived in a fairly developed country.

What do you mean by a fairly developed country? McDonald's was selling hamburgers for 15 cents in 1955 (roughly the same as the price of a loaf of bread at the grocery store).

Catholics eating fish on Friday (instead of meat) I believe goes back many generations.

See also this article about historical meat consumption in the U.S.[0]:

"“These sources do give us some confidence in suggesting an average annual consumption of 150–200 pounds of meat per person in the nineteenth century.”

[0]: https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2014/06/how-ameri...

[adrianN]

Huh, interesting. I was extrapolating from my parents and grandparents who definitely didn't eat meat every day and certainly not half a pound of meat each day. They didn't live in the US though. My grandparents still had to raise all the meat for the family themselves.

[bserge]

Wouldn't be a bad idea tbh. Raise the tax on meat from industrial deathcamps but not from homegrown.

Yes, I realize it's still death and pollution but the scale of modern farms is simply mindboggling.

Grow and slaughter your own pigs and hens and then decide if you still want to do it for the meat (or the money from selling the meat).