[Johnny555]

I was curious what actually happened so looked it up -- looks like conservancy groups tried (and failed) to purchase the land to preserve it, and the land was logged despite the presence of the known endangered bird: "Eckelberry also saw the logging that cut down the trees used by the last Ivory-billed woodpecker"

40 years later a NWR was established on the land.

https://www.fws.gov/ivorybill/pdf/IBW%20Singer%20Tract%20Fac...

[akerl_]

So, just to confirm: he did what he wanted with the land, and other than attempting to purchase the land from him and being declined, nobody interfered with his use of his land?

[Johnny555]

I only know what's in the PDF I linked to, but as far as I can tell, that's exactly what happened. The company (Chicago Mill) that owned the land turned down the attempt to purchase the land, conservationists tried to get the government to condemn the land, but the government declined. Then they watched them log the trees that were home to the bird.

[beerandt]

If it became a NWR, then the government eventually took/ acquired it from him (or his successor).

The details of how that happened, whether it was their choice, and how they were compensated for it are what matter.

But it sounds like he at least got to harvest his timber first, as far as not being interfered with.

[akerl_]

I’m not sure I understand what you’re trying to say.

Above, you made some speculative claims that the endangered species caused the property owner to experience increased hardship in using their land. Research in this thread that others have done has shown that wasn’t the case, and yet you persist in pitching speculatively that perhaps they had their property taken away.

What is the statement you’re trying to make, and can you do the legwork to suggest it’s plausible rather than just technically not-yet-disproven?

[beerandt]

The increased hardship for landowners post 1973 is fact. The endangered species act turns affected land into a liability instead of being an asset.

The original response was that if they were able to enjoy the use of their land before 1973, then there was no harm done.

1) Which doesn't mean the harm/hardship didn't come into play in 1973 once the law was passed. It did. The land would have lost significant value overnight by being declared endangered species habitat.

2) The research showed that the land is now, in fact, a National Wildlife Refuge. The government acquired it. That rarely happens in a fully voluntary way with full compensation, but I don't claim to know the circumstances here.

3) My speculation was merely that harm could have also been done before 1973, which has been turned into somewhat of a straw man.

3b) And I only included that speculation because it's applicable to the state of affairs today, because if the same thing happens to any generic landowner post-1973, it's no longer speculation. Your property value becomes significantly diminished.

[Stupulous]

I think the issue here is just that

>the landowner of that 1944 sighting

can be read in two ways. I assume you meant the person who owned that land when it was taken away, and that's how I read it. But it's not unreasonable to interpret it as the person who owned it at the time of the sighting.