[WalterBright]

You're never going to get money out of politics. Even in the Soviet Union. Do you really think the Soviet Union did not have endemic corruption in government?

Here in Seattle, the Council created "democracy vouchers" paid by the taxpayer to give to the candidate of their choice. What it really is is the incumbents using taxpayer money to fund their campaigns. If you're not an incumbent, good luck getting any of those vouchers.

[dTal]

>Do you really think the Soviet Union did not have endemic corruption in government?

Literally no one thinks that or implied it in this conversation. What a non sequitur. I don't think you're even properly reading the comments you reply to.

[beerandt]

Saying that "but for" corporate/capitalistic influence, government would be benevolent is very much implying that countries without capitalism shouldn't have corruption.

[Dylan16807]

Who said that?

There's a bunch of comments saying lobbying makes things worse than not having lobbying.

I don't see the ones saying that's the only source of problems?

[Stupulous]

I think the argument is that absent corporate lobbying, politicians can still be influenced. Something else will fill the position, and the total amount of influence over politicians not granted democratically will be unchanged. Maybe that's still through money, but taken as direct bribes under the table, or maybe it's populism, or something else entirely.

I don't know if that's true. I also don't know if what replaced campaign contributions would be better or worse.

I do know that lobbying is itself overstated. In 1999, the GDP was 10 trillion. 3 billion, or 0.03%, of that went into politics, mostly from individual donors rather than companies [1]. If lobbying were an effective way to buy political influence, more companies would shell out. Maybe it's already happening under the table, though.

[1][pdf] http://www.nber.org/papers/w9409.pdf

[inter_netuser]

Good luck why?