[MrGando]

I think you're somewhat making an argument that the "means" are justified if the end is noble. I think the whole discussion revolts around the several issues with that "system" or "philosophy" here in the Valley.

I personally don't think it's the right way to do things. Big fraud, small lies (fraud), it's all pretty bad.

[codegeek]

To some extent, aren't startups supposed to be doing things to challenge the status quo which sometimes can mean that they are breaking rules ? Uber overall has been a net positive in my humble opinion so I definitely think that to an extent, the means are justified if the end is noble.

[MrGando]

If we're going to restraint to personal opinions, my strong personal opinion is that startups have to operate in the context of truth, rule of law and business ethics. That would be my hope. I think it's totally possible to succeed and still work through that lens. I think thinking otherwise, is actually a fallacy perpetuated by certain groups here in the Valley.

I strongly believe that you can challenge the status quo and abide by honesty and rule of law.