[aidenn0]

If you have to de-solder the flash, reprogram the flash and re-solder it back in, is that bricked?

If yes to above, then what about using an in-circuit programmer?

If yes to above then what about having to move a jumper to get a ROM monitor?

If yes to above then what about having to enter some magic button combination at boot?

The line is fuzzy, no?

[cortesoft]

Yeah, I think you are right. I am convinced. I would probably draw the line at physical work, meaning if it requires physically opening the device and changing/fixing/bypassing wiring it can count as bricked.

[jiveturkey]

Well, I mean, that is a reasonable line. But it's still moving the goalposts. I'll stick with bricked meaning bricked.

I lost that personal battle for 'hacker' and 'begs the question' but dammit I am sticking to it for 'brick'!!

[Dylan16807]

Bricked meaning bricked meaning what? Where are the original goalposts?

Because nothing is unfixable. If bricked means unfixable, even with expert attention and unlimited replacements, then bricking is a meaningless term that only applies if you, like, atomize the device.

Otherwise...

There's the point where you have to replace a part entirely, but you might be able to steal that part from elsewhere in the device.

There's the point where you need entirely new parts.

There's the point where fixing costs more than the device is worth.

There's the point point where fixing costs more than the device was brand new.

Is one of the above a good threshold?

Would you pick something else?

Do you disagree about things being unfixable?

[cortesoft]

> I'll stick with bricked meaning bricked.

Well that is what I am sticking with, too!

[SilverRed]

What if the flash data is corrupt, and the only way to restore it is to use an internal company program which I do not have access to?

To me, the device is bricked. It does not turn on and I can not fix it. But to the OEM it simply requires a factory reset. IMO bricked to me means that the device does not boot and there isn't a button combo factory reset option available. To the vast majority of people, this is completely broken beyond repair to them.