[tootie]

Same. They absolutely fall into the category of "worst tools available except for all the others". It takes work to configure a JIRA workflow and set of dashboards that works for your org, but every other product I've tried just doesn't even try. I was really shocked the first I tried Notion and Asana since they were so hyped, but they felt way to simple to be useful. Even with a small team we found them way too confining.