[coldtea]

Especially that.

What with provoking the Japanese before Pearl Harbor to get an excuse to join the war, the propaganda over decades to dismiss the importance of USSR in the fall of Nazi Germany, Dresden, the reasoning behind hitting Hiroshima and Nagashaki, the cozying up with "ex" Nazis in West Germany (now an ally), and tons of other dirty laundry...

What, you expected at least this to be a clear cut "pure good vs pure evil" affair, the way "sanctioned" national histories retell it?

Here's but an example:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MS_St._Louis#The_%22Voyage_of_...

https://www.theatlantic.com/photo/2017/06/american-nazis-in-...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_and_the_Holocaust

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2001/04/hitlers...

[reducesuffering]

> provoking the Japanese before Pearl Harbor to get an excuse to join the war

Not sure really any significant group of historians push this. Japan invading China is basically universally condemned, they signed the Tripartite pact with Nazi Germany, and you think it's the US' fault they decided to stop airplanes and oil to that regime?

[coldtea]

>Not sure really any significant group of historians push this.

No, just the accurate ones. The state sanctioned historiography pretends it's not a thing.

>Japan invading China is basically universally condemned, they signed the Tripartite pact with Nazi Germany, and you think it's the US' fault they decided to stop airplanes and oil to that regime?

Yeah, the kind US that warred in the Philipines, and toppled/established/promoted regimes all around the world for the whole 20th century (and the 21st) got so upset at Japan invading China...

The same Japan they earlier attacked as a sovereign state and forced-open to their trade and terms, just because they could... (Who invaded whom first here?)

[worrycue]

Correct me if I’m wrong, I did not study US history as part of my education, but wasn’t the attack on Pearl Harbour sold to the American public as “unprovoked”?

[reducesuffering]

Yes as is the general historian consensus around the world. There are some that try to make a case that the US also had done bad things, like force open Japan's ports 80 years prior, and then stopped trading oil and airplanes to Japan, as "provoking" a bombing attack. However these are probably the same people that think Russia is being "provoked" into invading other countries...

Essentially though, Japan had imperial ambitions across most of East and Southeast Asia, knew the US wouldn't allow them much more conquest, and miscalculated that attacking first would be the best chess move to negotiate and secure the rest of the Asian territory they wanted.

[randomeat]

Minor in comparison to the larger propaganda over that war