[BrightGlow]

>Not every application needs a UI toolkit. There are also a lot of UI toolkits. Now many of them struggle with the fairly unimpressive task of displaying a window with reasonable looking borders. That's not a good user experience, and it's certainly not a good developer experience.

Sure, but if you don't use a toolkit then you need to take care of the missing pieces on your platform, in the case of Wayland one of those missing pieces is window borders. If you're a toolkit developer and you can't implement window borders, then I would suggest not advertising your toolkit as having complete support for Wayland.

>I really do have a lot of opinions regarding what you are saying, but I'm honestly running out of steam on replying to each point blow-for-blow because it feels like I already expressed my point and the reply is just what I said but inverted.

I'm sorry if this seems rude but both your opinion and my opinion don't matter and I don't care how you feel about this. That's nothing personal towards you. We're just two people having an informal conversation, it's just not helpful for us to look at it like we're trying to sway each other's opinions, so don't feel like you have to convince me of something or rebut my opinions. If you feel you don't want to support a certain type of decorations then that's perfectly fine, I'm happy for you to carry on doing that. But the technical reality of the situation and what that means for the challenges you may face is a different discussion from what you or I feel, and clearing up the technical stuff is all I'm interested to discuss.

If you have some other technical things to present then please do that, otherwise you're right that there is nothing more to discuss here. I'm only typing here to correct some misconceptions that I saw you had about the whole situation with libdecor. I find that most people who are upset about the situation don't really understand it fully or missed some key piece of information. I usually try not to do it point-by-point but it's really hard when you list a lot of points. However it does seem that a lot of your statements are stemming from a few initial misconceptions, so I can summarize that if you want.