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by corin_ 5422 days ago
Your second sentance is irrelevant, it's not like every living thing on earth is believed to go to heaven.
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It may be relevant precisely because not every living thing on earth is believed to go to heaven. "But these guys don't get to go to heaven" is part of the rationale behind a lot of modern genocides, and before that many cases of slaughter and slavery. If we or the aliens are to think that of each other, hey, that's enough premise for a real-life Hollywood classic.
Right. Even if these hypothetical aliens have souls, what happens when we discover that there was no Christ crucified on their world? From that, we'll have to conclude that either

1) They can't be absolved of their sins, since Jesus didn't die for them.

2) The Earthly Jesus died for all sentient beings across the universe, but the fact that he did so on Earth demonstrates that Earthlings have a special place in God's creation (also, note that the Old Testament Jews were God's chosen people).

In a religious context, no good can come of this.

As already referenced elsewhere in this thread, C.S. Lewis hypothesized

3) Extraterrestrials did not necessarily experience The Fall, and therefor have no need of a savior.

Extraterrestrials did not necessarily experience The Fall

I'm not aware of Lewis's argument, but I did think about this. It seems to me that we'd be able to determine this by simple inspection.

I assume that when we met these aliens, we'll be able to observe that they are sinful creatures: they will lie, steal, murder, etc., just like we do. This being the case, they'll need some mechanism for unloading those sins, won't they?

But: (1) maybe they won't be sinful; or (2) maybe there's some theological point that makes "The Fall" as such pivotal, so that other sins can be freely absolved, so long as one (or one's ancestors) haven't eaten from the tree of knowledge?

EDIT: As already referenced elsewhere in this thread, C.S. Lewis hypothesized -- a search through the thread for "Lewis" shows our interchange, and one other mention that doesn't reference aliens directly, but only the evil that humans could bring to them. And searching for "Fall" shows it nowhere else as a single word. So I think you're unfair in suggesting that my post was redundant.

Well, now you're reducing it to just Christianity. And within the context of Christianity, I don't see why people would jump to the conclusions that they have souls only to get stuck at the problem of "so what do we do with Jesus?"

I suppose people sooner call the aliens soulless demons or rethink their whole religion than go half way in one direction and then stop in the middle.

I do not agree that it is completely irrelevant when including the possibilities of life at a higher intellectual level. It would still put religion in a difficult position; if God created humans, he must have created aliens. At what intellectual level would you set the barrier? Must it demonstrate empathy? Love? And who would decide? What gives a human the right, as it clearly is the guy in the sky that is the gatekeeper.
Way OT but… you are making a categorical error: (putting aside what you may or may not think about Christianity… but) Christianity asserts that the only reason people (or beings) are not going to heaven is because of their sin (defined as, “any want of conformity to or transgression of the law of God”). To presuppose that any theoretical aliens have sin is wholly unwarranted. There is no need for any Christian to assume any status as regards heaven in relation to an alien.

Also; the existence or lack of existence of any alien life form would have no theological bearing on the western church. (That’s not to say that it would in the east. I just am ignorant of the details -- though if I was a betting man I would say that it is the same in that case also.) Wouldn’t change a thing; and not because it would get “swept under the carpet” but because it really changes nothing core to the dogma deemed necessary for the western church (i.e. the Ecumenical creeds).

And, just as an even further aside, some prominent Christian theologians believe that aliens might exist.

The Bible for example is very clear about the one who is making the decisions: God, or guy in the sky as you call it. So I don't think that would be a problem for religion.

And I think this news is still no proof for skeptical people (like myself). They found molecules that are very rare on earth and are now suggesting they originated in space:

"...but were unsure whether these materials actually originate in space. The presence of these three molecules, however, suggest that they do, potentially raising new questions..."

So just new questions and suggestions. No proof of alien life for me. But interesting!

I don't think finding evidence of ETI would change much of anything.

Sure, an agnostic might be put into a further tailspin, but so what? Most of the world's faithful have already demonstrated the enviable ability to suspend any desire to investigate the mechanics of their belief system. What difference will it matter that aliens were thrown into the equation?

Since you seem like a science-minded man, I'll point out that every Christian in this thread has said nothing like what you said. Perhaps you should revise your model.