[100011_100001]

If your "freedom" can kill other people it's a problem. You are "free" to never stop on red lights, and just go, but you obey that rule for the general good. Vaccines are stopping at the red light and waiting for it to turn green.

If it helps you, pretend the subreddit was a collection of people posting memes about red lights are for sheep, and then a picture of a car accident.

[Ekaros]

And those people who don't want freedom can easily protect themselves with no sacrifices by never leaving their homes. It's all up to them to make educated choice between safety they desire and freedom of everyone else.

[100011_100001]

Every time I get in a car there is a chance someone will not stop on a red light. If 30% of people didn't stop at red lights, would you tell the drivers that follow the law to stay at home or arrest the drivers running red lights?

Because as a driver I can easily protect myself with no sacrifices by never leaving my home. It's all up to me to make an educated choice between safety they desire and freedom of everyone else.

Do you see how weird the argument sounds? No sacrifices is a lie. You think it's fun staying at home for a year? That it requires no sacrifice?

[Ekaros]

Absolutely they should stay home if they don't want to take the risk.

Technically I think we could ban anyone from going outside and save lot of lives in traffic and with covid.

I don't see any sacrifice if one wants to stay safe. It is their freedom to not go outside house. It is not their freedom to oppress others and take away their freedom by forcing them to do anything. Specially being vaccinated.

[100011_100001]

That is the most ridiculous rebuttal I have ever heard. Based on this ideology there should be no laws at all of any kind, speed limits, traffic lights, stop signs, theft, assault are all violating your freedom.

As such, I have nothing else to discuss with you. Feel free to have the last word. </end>