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by dudehere 1729 days ago
I've just reread my message above, it has many mobile typos. Sorry about that. I hope it wasn't too derailing.

About MITM I'd like to add that this event is an exception even for a single person, since (the same) MITM cannot occur on different millions of network we all randomly switch. Anybody would see that the target site doesn't behave as normal at some point, should such an event happen.

Indeed, malicious networks exist and the key points here about them would be: 1) the current libgen.crypto implementation is read-only and doesn't request anything of value to be transmitted over the network; 2) your personal visiting statistics would quickly reveal, if MITM attack occurred. Eventually MITM is not more than site defacing. It's not going to be unnoticed in a read-only project, if starts behaving suspeceously.

Everyone knows what results to expect from LG (remember, the original LG project sets reputation and ethics as the top priority), there should be no issue to simply stop browsing.

Also, to avoid local network tricks (which can be very harmful), use VPN whenever possible. Nowadays it seems to be a universal tool everybody should have.

And don't connect to random WiFi networks ever. Only to those which belong to organizations you visit and are trusted.

Your post was correct, yes, since it stems from a mere HTTP protocol observation, but it ignores why it's the only way to access for some systems with some features, and that the expected harm of it for an average individual is practically zero. All variations of LG have been running without SSL for longer than a decade globally, and no problem. So, on the practical foot it's not a concern, (take into account my other comments about various issues introducing HTTPS in every part of the system).

Let's quantify it somehow to actually see if this is a concern beyond an academic exercise:

1 user out of a million users on a million networks a year may get a wrong forward due to a MITM attack on his network and notice that it is not the site he has seen a hundred times before. The probability of such an event for an average individual is something like 0.00000000000001 per annum. I call it a practical zero.

Should one get a small permanent job servicing certification for a dozen randomly expiring systems and paying money with the risk that an expired certificate, should the person die, would practically block access to resource, to get the practical zero to real zero?

My answer would be definitely not, this would be waste of life. We all know Http has this flow, but return to that comment about using http: it actually tells you may not have access at all, if you use https (not always, though, but that comment is a hint, not a statement you don't need security). Here's the choice: access with http or secure no access via https? I think there is no real choice. Neither that comment tells you more than to remember a pattern to use with dWeb domain names which reliably works.

Summarizing, your logic is correct but not practically helpful.

Story time: about 10 years ago a forker from ebookoid came in to the LG forum and started aggressively promote his site, an LG fork, selling books, while pointing out how poor LG's security was since it had no SSL/HTTPS, and his site had it. A scammer with a legit encryption was humiliating a legit project without encryption.

I hope you get my point: don't make a storm in a glass of water, because some less knowledgeable people may take it as a real breach which it is not )